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"Chicago State lands former 5-star twins Matt and Ryan Bewley" Back to Top FJC31 General User Member Since: 3/31/2022 Post Count: 1,425 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 8/10/2023 9:35:45 AM  I live in a Chicago and this is fascinating. The campus looks more like a college prep academy than an actual university and is closer to Hammond, IN than it is Chicago. Read the twins’ HS coach is brother of Chicago State’s coach. So it makes sense, but it also doesn’t at all. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,416 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 8/10/2023 9:55:16 AM  Apparently these guys were on Overtime Elite's pro path and not the college path. It is possible they received payment to play on this path and they'd be ineligible, but I'd think the burden of proof that they were paid is on the NCAA. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 9/1/2023 8:32:29 PM  If they did get money, good for them. Glad to see smaller schools getting top talent. Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,984 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 9/2/2023 12:21:59 AM  giacomo wrote: If they did get money, good for them. Glad to see smaller schools getting top talent. Maybe they can sign an NIL deal to get some of that Vegas gambling money too. Why not right? Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 9/2/2023 8:49:16 AM  Why not? Walter Byars devised the “student athlete” model in the 1950s and its outmoded in the current generation. Schools leaving conferences chasing money and coaches compensation tell me the players should be in on the action. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,416 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/3/2023 3:35:08 PM  In very unsurprising news... https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/3... Gotta say, I'm with the NCAA on this one. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,145 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/3/2023 10:35:54 PM  shabamon wrote: In very unsurprising news... https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/3... Gotta say, I'm with the NCAA on this one. Not, me! I don't like the whole NIL concept, but I think these kids are being penalized basically for something that would have been legal if phrased differently, or if they had signed up a year later after the organization changed the wording of its documents. Also, I suspect that if this had happened to a P6 student-athlete-entrepreneur-semi-pro that the NCAA would not have made a ruling of this type and would have issued some kind of a waiver. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,456 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/4/2023 8:11:28 PM  After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it. Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.” NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work. Last Edited: 11/4/2023 8:14:10 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,778 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/5/2023 8:06:49 AM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it. Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.” NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work. Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools? Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,456 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/5/2023 10:27:15 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it. Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.” NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work. Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools? What's the difference? One's the governing body for the other. The business model is illegal either way, and when kids challenged in the courts -- and that's just a matter of time -- that'll be codified. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,778 Status: Offline     RE: Meanwhile, at Chicago State    Posted: 11/6/2023 12:37:11 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: After what the Supreme Court shared in a ruling, the NCAA should be terrified of anybody who is willing to challenge this in court. And Overtime Elite has the funding and incentive to do it. Here's Kavanaugh: "The NCAA couches its arguments for not paying student athletes in innocuous labels,” he writes in the concurring opinion. “But the labels cannot disguise the reality: The NCAA’s business model would be flatly illegal in almost any other industry in America. All of the restaurants in a region cannot come together to cut cooks’ wages on the theory that “customers prefer” to eat food from low-paid cooks. Law firms cannot conspire to cabin lawyers’ salaries in the name of providing legal services out of a “love of the law.” Hospitals cannot agree to cap nurses’ income in order to create a “purer” form of helping the sick. News organizations cannot join forces to curtail pay to reporters to preserve a “tradition” of public-minded journalism. Movie studios cannot collude to slash benefits to camera crews to kindle a “spirit of amateurism” in Hollywood.” NCAA is playing with fire here. And for what? Let kids play basketball and earn money off of their own hard work. Is it the NCAA or the wants/needs of the individual schools? What's the difference? One's the governing body for the other. The business model is illegal either way, and when kids challenged in the courts -- and that's just a matter of time -- that'll be codified. To be codified, you mean having Congress actually act? Don't hold your breath. 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