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  Message Not Read  FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/25/2023 8:34:05 PM 
Please don't tell me Ohio can't ever do this.
I will always believe.

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   Posted: 3/25/2023 8:35:01 PM 
I just read that, 9 days ago, FAU had never won an NCAA tourney game. Today, they’re in the final 4.
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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/25/2023 8:41:50 PM 
Florida Atlantic University men's basketball budget: $2,037,036
Ohio University men's basketball budget: $2,448,308
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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/25/2023 8:47:15 PM 
I work with some professors at FAU at my job and have been down there a few times.

Their campus is about half the size of ours. Just down the street from the ocean.

It is possible.
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   Posted: 3/25/2023 9:24:01 PM 
FAU's arena has a capacity of 2,900. Almost every arena in the MAC is at least double that size, some are even 3 to 4 times bigger. Just another example of how you don't need a massive arena to be big-time team/program.
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   Posted: 3/25/2023 11:09:10 PM 
Their coach makes 430k a year plus incentives, which I guess he’ll cash in on this year. A good model to follow.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 4:16:27 AM 
In this day and age, its not as much about the money and facilities as it is the players not bailing on a program and hitting the portal, once they get good.

Think about where we could have been, if the talent that left, stayed here.

You have to get lucky, in a sense and find players in the portal and have all players peak/gel for one year cause one year may be all you get with the transfer portal. I'm sure FAU will deal with it shortly too.

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 7:34:23 AM 
Oh look, one of the minor league teams that's just a feeder to big schools made the Final Four.

Even though every good mid major player gets poached by P5 schools and competitive balance is dead.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 9:11:39 AM 
Chuck_IV wrote:
In this day and age, its not as much about the money and facilities as it is the players not bailing on a program and hitting the portal, once they get good.

Think about where we could have been, if the talent that left, stayed here.

You have to get lucky, in a sense and find players in the portal and have all players peak/gel for one year cause one year may be all you get with the transfer portal. I'm sure FAU will deal with it shortly too.


You’re right. I would have thought with the portal and NIL the strong get stronger. The familiar names are not around in this year’s tournament.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 10:42:48 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Oh look, one of the minor league teams that's just a feeder to big schools made the Final Four.

Even though every good mid major player gets poached by P5 schools and competitive balance is dead.


Really dumb statement with an agenda behind driving it. Feel better? Where is St Peter's now? Figured all those folks with the agenda to keep the growing split between Power 5 resources and wants would hold this up to argue for NIL, keeping the tourney at 68 and status quo in place. The divide deepens between the haves and the have nots.

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 11:26:07 AM 
longtiimelurker wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Oh look, one of the minor league teams that's just a feeder to big schools made the Final Four.

Even though every good mid major player gets poached by P5 schools and competitive balance is dead.


Really dumb statement with an agenda behind driving it. Feel better? Where is St Peter's now? Figured all those folks with the agenda to keep the growing split between Power 5 resources and wants would hold this up to argue for NIL, keeping the tourney at 68 and status quo in place. The divide deepens between the haves and the have nots.



Awfully testy, dude.

A few things:

1. I'm just not as convinced as some others that the sky has fallen and the divide has deepened. At the very least, I want to wait for more data before freaking out. So far, the data I have seen suggests it might not be as bad as it's perceived. FAU is an interesting data point, in my view. They're a mid-major that has been able to make the Final Four. Given everybody saying that the "divide has deepened", it's worth noting, no?

2. St. Peter's coach left for Seton Hall. A lot of players transferred. But first the coach left for a better opportunity. Was it the NIL that led to those transfers, or was it the coach bailing? Do you think Bryant, St. Bonaventure, LaSalle and Seton Hall are flush with NIL cash? Because that's where the transfers ended up.

3. Pre-NIL, Florida Gulf Coast went on a deep run. What happened to them in the coming years under the old system? 2006 George Mason? Ohio after our Sweet 16 run? Kent State after their Elite 8 run? How many Cinderella teams sustained their success in the old system?

4. My agenda has nothing to do with "growing the split between Power 5 resources" -- I just want talented people to not be restricted from earning money based on their talents. That's my agenda. If you want to compare the moral merits of your agenda and mine, happy to.

5. I support expanding the tourny. Don't know what you're talking about there.

6. In the year where everybody is lamenting the end of parity in college basketball, the Elite 8 includes FAU, Creighton, UConn (who was left out of every conference they desperately tried to join), Miami, Kansas State, Gonzaga, and San Diego State. Which of those would you describe as a power? What do their NIL deals look like and how did they benefit from the transfer portal?

7. FAUs best players are all sophomores. You think they weren't good last year and nobody in college basketball knew they were talented? Is it really so crazy to suggest that not every talented mid major basketball player is going to jump to the P5 immediately after a decent freshman year? Who has entered the portal from Ohio this year? Maybe it's not as bad as you're absolutely sure it is.

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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/26/2023 11:58:49 AM 
OhioBobcat wrote:
FAU's arena has a capacity of 2,900. Almost every arena in the MAC is at least double that size, some are even 3 to 4 times bigger. Just another example of how you don't need a massive arena to be big-time team/program.


Don't you think FAU is going to use the Final 4 run to push toward building a larger arena? They are moving into the AAC next season too. Ohio defeated Kentucky and Louisville in the tournament before building The Convo.

Since George Mason's run to the Final 4 mid majors as I've observed have made it deeper into the tournament. The bigger change I'm seeing is the ability of non-traditional basketball focused P5s like Kansas State and Miami Fl able to win in the NCAA tournament. Kentucky vs. Kansas State at one time was an automatic for UK with their mystique. Miami Fl win over Indiana. Alabama having the #1 team in the country but often they are fairly decent out of the SEC. TCU in the tournament as a 6 seed.

Michigan State and UCLA were the only P5 regulars to make the Sweet 16.

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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/26/2023 11:59:41 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Oh look, one of the minor league teams that's just a feeder to big schools made the Final Four.

Even though every good mid major player gets poached by P5 schools and competitive balance is dead.


Really dumb statement with an agenda behind driving it. Feel better? Where is St Peter's now? Figured all those folks with the agenda to keep the growing split between Power 5 resources and wants would hold this up to argue for NIL, keeping the tourney at 68 and status quo in place. The divide deepens between the haves and the have nots.



Awfully testy, dude.

A few things:

1. I'm just not as convinced as some others that the sky has fallen and the divide has deepened. At the very least, I want to wait for more data before freaking out. So far, the data I have seen suggests it might not be as bad as it's perceived. FAU is an interesting data point, in my view. They're a mid-major that has been able to make the Final Four. Given everybody saying that the "divide has deepened", it's worth noting, no?

2. St. Peter's coach left for Seton Hall. A lot of players transferred. But first the coach left for a better opportunity. Was it the NIL that led to those transfers, or was it the coach bailing? Do you think Bryant, St. Bonaventure, LaSalle and Seton Hall are flush with NIL cash? Because that's where the transfers ended up.

3. Pre-NIL, Florida Gulf Coast went on a deep run. What happened to them in the coming years under the old system? 2006 George Mason? Ohio after our Sweet 16 run? Kent State after their Elite 8 run? How many Cinderella teams sustained their success in the old system?

4. My agenda has nothing to do with "growing the split between Power 5 resources" -- I just want talented people to not be restricted from earning money based on their talents. That's my agenda. If you want to compare the moral merits of your agenda and mine, happy to.

5. I support expanding the tourny. Don't know what you're talking about there.

6. In the year where everybody is lamenting the end of parity in college basketball, the Elite 8 includes FAU, Creighton, UConn (who was left out of every conference they desperately tried to join), Miami, Kansas State, Gonzaga, and San Diego State. Which of those would you describe as a power? What do their NIL deals look like and how did they benefit from the transfer portal?

7. FAUs best players are all sophomores. You think they weren't good last year and nobody in college basketball knew they were talented? Is it really so crazy to suggest that not every talented mid major basketball player is going to jump to the P5 immediately after a decent freshman year? Who has entered the portal from Ohio this year? Maybe it's not as bad as you're absolutely sure it is.



If you're going to point to George Mason, Ohio, and Kent State, I'm going to point to Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU. Some can sustain, others don't.

My biggest gripe is that I think we've seen the end of legendary players at mid major schools. Guys that begin and complete their eligibility at one school. Some mid major schools are going to hit home runs in the transfer portal (FAU has guys from Texas Tech, Minnesota, and UConn), but I think there's something missing to the sport for schools like us when the guys who have the potential to be all time greats up and leave. Have we seen the last Tony Campbell? The last Brandon Hunter? Have we seen the last DJ Cooper? If the Georgetown win happens in 2023, does he leave for Tennessee or Baylor after their coaches slip into the DMs? I feel bad for Ball State who has turned a corner with this new coach only for Payton Sparks to bolt. He apparently wants to play at a higher level, even though he didn't exactly dominate the MAC. He appears to be choosing to be another guy at a P5 instead of THE guy at an up and comer.
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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/26/2023 12:45:54 PM 
shabamon wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
longtiimelurker wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Oh look, one of the minor league teams that's just a feeder to big schools made the Final Four.

Even though every good mid major player gets poached by P5 schools and competitive balance is dead.


Really dumb statement with an agenda behind driving it. Feel better? Where is St Peter's now? Figured all those folks with the agenda to keep the growing split between Power 5 resources and wants would hold this up to argue for NIL, keeping the tourney at 68 and status quo in place. The divide deepens between the haves and the have nots.



Awfully testy, dude.

A few things:

1. I'm just not as convinced as some others that the sky has fallen and the divide has deepened. At the very least, I want to wait for more data before freaking out. So far, the data I have seen suggests it might not be as bad as it's perceived. FAU is an interesting data point, in my view. They're a mid-major that has been able to make the Final Four. Given everybody saying that the "divide has deepened", it's worth noting, no?

2. St. Peter's coach left for Seton Hall. A lot of players transferred. But first the coach left for a better opportunity. Was it the NIL that led to those transfers, or was it the coach bailing? Do you think Bryant, St. Bonaventure, LaSalle and Seton Hall are flush with NIL cash? Because that's where the transfers ended up.

3. Pre-NIL, Florida Gulf Coast went on a deep run. What happened to them in the coming years under the old system? 2006 George Mason? Ohio after our Sweet 16 run? Kent State after their Elite 8 run? How many Cinderella teams sustained their success in the old system?

4. My agenda has nothing to do with "growing the split between Power 5 resources" -- I just want talented people to not be restricted from earning money based on their talents. That's my agenda. If you want to compare the moral merits of your agenda and mine, happy to.

5. I support expanding the tourny. Don't know what you're talking about there.

6. In the year where everybody is lamenting the end of parity in college basketball, the Elite 8 includes FAU, Creighton, UConn (who was left out of every conference they desperately tried to join), Miami, Kansas State, Gonzaga, and San Diego State. Which of those would you describe as a power? What do their NIL deals look like and how did they benefit from the transfer portal?

7. FAUs best players are all sophomores. You think they weren't good last year and nobody in college basketball knew they were talented? Is it really so crazy to suggest that not every talented mid major basketball player is going to jump to the P5 immediately after a decent freshman year? Who has entered the portal from Ohio this year? Maybe it's not as bad as you're absolutely sure it is.



If you're going to point to George Mason, Ohio, and Kent State, I'm going to point to Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU. Some can sustain, others don't.

My biggest gripe is that I think we've seen the end of legendary players at mid major schools. Guys that begin and complete their eligibility at one school. Some mid major schools are going to hit home runs in the transfer portal (FAU has guys from Texas Tech, Minnesota, and UConn), but I think there's something missing to the sport for schools like us when the guys who have the potential to be all time greats up and leave. Have we seen the last Tony Campbell? The last Brandon Hunter? Have we seen the last DJ Cooper? If the Georgetown win happens in 2023, does he leave for Tennessee or Baylor after their coaches slip into the DMs? I feel bad for Ball State who has turned a corner with this new coach only for Payton Sparks to bolt. He apparently wants to play at a higher level, even though he didn't exactly dominate the MAC. He appears to be choosing to be another guy at a P5 instead of THE guy at an up and comer.


The latter schools you listed all had continuity at HC/system for a long enough time, to establish a brand name that carried them to a bigger conference. That’s why they sustained longevity imo. VCU is like the ultimate example of “next man” up to maintain program culture. Grant, Capel, Smart, Wade, and now Rhoades. This seems like the formula to follow; as it expanded over nearly two decades. You can’t control a P5 school plucking your coaches or players at this point; but you can maintain system/culture.

It’s been on this board before, but I’ll always wonder “what if” we just promoted Dustin Ford. We were at peak program wise then had our 3rd coach and 3rd system in as many years.

I think the players will be situational. You’re seeing guys get drafted from our level. Toledo kept its stars, Carry remained at Kent. I think you nailed it — it’s going to come down to does a player want to be the alpha with a lesser chance at March immortality? Or just another player with a higher chance at the P5 level?

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  Message Not Read  RE: FAU To Final Four
   Posted: 3/26/2023 4:24:00 PM 
shabamon wrote:

If you're going to point to George Mason, Ohio, and Kent State, I'm going to point to Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU. Some can sustain, others don't.

My biggest gripe is that I think we've seen the end of legendary players at mid major schools. Guys that begin and complete their eligibility at one school. Some mid major schools are going to hit home runs in the transfer portal (FAU has guys from Texas Tech, Minnesota, and UConn), but I think there's something missing to the sport for schools like us when the guys who have the potential to be all time greats up and leave. Have we seen the last Tony Campbell? The last Brandon Hunter? Have we seen the last DJ Cooper? If the Georgetown win happens in 2023, does he leave for Tennessee or Baylor after their coaches slip into the DMs? I feel bad for Ball State who has turned a corner with this new coach only for Payton Sparks to bolt. He apparently wants to play at a higher level, even though he didn't exactly dominate the MAC. He appears to be choosing to be another guy at a P5 instead of THE guy at an up and comer.


All of Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU ended up switching conferences as part of the reshuffle. All ended up moving up into multi-bid leagues, which makes it much easier to sustain success.

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 4:46:59 PM 
Hells bells and shotgun shells, I've agreed with virtually everything BLSS has said in this thread. I have no explanation for this strange phenomenon. Perhaps, the end of the world is at hand?

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 4:50:29 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
shabamon wrote:

If you're going to point to George Mason, Ohio, and Kent State, I'm going to point to Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU. Some can sustain, others don't.

My biggest gripe is that I think we've seen the end of legendary players at mid major schools. Guys that begin and complete their eligibility at one school. Some mid major schools are going to hit home runs in the transfer portal (FAU has guys from Texas Tech, Minnesota, and UConn), but I think there's something missing to the sport for schools like us when the guys who have the potential to be all time greats up and leave. Have we seen the last Tony Campbell? The last Brandon Hunter? Have we seen the last DJ Cooper? If the Georgetown win happens in 2023, does he leave for Tennessee or Baylor after their coaches slip into the DMs? I feel bad for Ball State who has turned a corner with this new coach only for Payton Sparks to bolt. He apparently wants to play at a higher level, even though he didn't exactly dominate the MAC. He appears to be choosing to be another guy at a P5 instead of THE guy at an up and comer.


All of Butler, Creighton, Wichita State, and VCU ended up switching conferences as part of the reshuffle. All ended up moving up into multi-bid leagues, which makes it much easier to sustain success.



And they all re-invested their newfound money/notoriety back into their basketball programs because none of them play FBS football.

No MAC school will ever make a permanent or substantial leap in basketball until they magically quadruple their revenue and budgets or drop down in football.

It's that simple.

Gonzaga, Butler, Creighton, Wichita St, VCU, Dayton, Loyola. The list goes on.

It's also why FAU will be a 1-hit wonder.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 5:14:44 PM 
GraffZ06 wrote:


And they all re-invested their newfound money/notoriety back into their basketball programs because none of them play FBS football.

No MAC school will ever make a permanent or substantial leap in basketball until they magically quadruple their revenue and budgets or drop down in football.

It's that simple.

Gonzaga, Butler, Creighton, Wichita St, VCU, Dayton, Loyola. The list goes on.

It's also why FAU will be a 1-hit wonder.



Yep, agreed. Also worth noting that every school on your list is in either a big market or a mid-sized city. That's a big part of what made them appeal to bigger conferences.

As much as I'd like to see it, I just don't think there's a blue print for Ohio. We split budget with football and are in a tiny market. The biggest city close to us is dominated by Ohio State, and Cleveland and Cincinnati have get carved up between OSU, Xavier, UC (in Cincy's case) and in Cleveland we have to compete for eyeballs with OSU, Cleveland State, Kent State, and Akron.

Just not a clear path that others have executed on.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 5:52:02 PM 
Speaking of football Ohio is playing FAU and SDSU in the non-conference next season both of whom the Bobcats defeated last time on the gridiron.

Without The Convo to draw them in and a 3,000 seat arena instead I doubt OU would have made the tournament more than once in the past 40 seasons. Facilities for a place like Ohio is important because its all they really have.

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 6:33:14 PM 
Some thoughtful posts on here.

One issue no one has mentioned is academics and admissions standards. That impacts which players you can bring in through the portal and recruit out of high school.
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   Posted: 3/26/2023 7:33:37 PM 
Campus Flow wrote:
Speaking of football Ohio is playing FAU and SDSU in the non-conference next season both of whom the Bobcats defeated last time on the gridiron.

Without The Convo to draw them in and a 3,000 seat arena instead I doubt OU would have made the tournament more than once in the past 40 seasons. Facilities for a place like Ohio is important because its all they really have.


I’m not sure a 13,000 seat arena that is normally more than 60% empty doesn’t seem like it would be a big draw to a player.
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colobobcat66 wrote:
Campus Flow wrote:
Speaking of football Ohio is playing FAU and SDSU in the non-conference next season both of whom the Bobcats defeated last time on the gridiron.

Without The Convo to draw them in and a 3,000 seat arena instead I doubt OU would have made the tournament more than once in the past 40 seasons. Facilities for a place like Ohio is important because its all they really have.


I’m not sure a 13,000 seat arena that is normally more than 60% empty doesn’t seem like it would be a big draw to a player.


Grover Center, which if I recall correcty had a capacity of around 5,500 to 6,000, could be a real rocking place. It was a major upgrade from Men's Gym (now Bentley Hall) that probably seated no more than 2,500, maybe 3,000 SRO. And, it was out of Grover Center that we had our best team ever -- the Elite 8 club of 1963-64.  The Convo will only live up to its potential if we develop a team like FAU and become ranked and start drawing from a larger geographical area.  We could draw fans regularly from Marietta, Logan, Jackson, Gallipolis, and even Parkersburg, if we had a product of that caliber.  Those of us who were in school in the late 1960s saw glimpses of what was possible.  It sitll is possible, if admittedly a long shot.  But, hey, the improbable has happened more than once in college basketball. 

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   Posted: 3/26/2023 11:51:46 PM 

Actually, my remembrance of Grover Center's capacity was a little on the low side:

 

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   Posted: 3/27/2023 10:39:06 AM 
Campus Flow wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
FAU's arena has a capacity of 2,900. Almost every arena in the MAC is at least double that size, some are even 3 to 4 times bigger. Just another example of how you don't need a massive arena to be big-time team/program.


Don't you think FAU is going to use the Final 4 run to push toward building a larger arena? They are moving into the AAC next season too. Ohio defeated Kentucky and Louisville in the tournament before building The Convo.

Since George Mason's run to the Final 4 mid majors as I've observed have made it deeper into the tournament. The bigger change I'm seeing is the ability of non-traditional basketball focused P5s like Kansas State and Miami Fl able to win in the NCAA tournament. Kentucky vs. Kansas State at one time was an automatic for UK with their mystique. Miami Fl win over Indiana. Alabama having the #1 team in the country but often they are fairly decent out of the SEC. TCU in the tournament as a 6 seed.

Michigan State and UCLA were the only P5 regulars to make the Sweet 16.


FAU is leaving what is left of C-USA? I've said it before and I'll say it again right now. MTSU will rue the day they blew off joining the MAC. WKU should be furious Middle bailed on that package deal that would have the MAC into the Nashville sports media area. What a screw up. All because Middle didn't want to pony up a relatively tiny million bucks exit fee to leave C-USA. FAU apparently didn't have any trouble paying it.

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   Posted: 3/27/2023 10:51:52 AM 
greencat wrote:
Campus Flow wrote:
OhioBobcat wrote:
FAU's arena has a capacity of 2,900. Almost every arena in the MAC is at least double that size, some are even 3 to 4 times bigger. Just another example of how you don't need a massive arena to be big-time team/program.


Don't you think FAU is going to use the Final 4 run to push toward building a larger arena? They are moving into the AAC next season too. Ohio defeated Kentucky and Louisville in the tournament before building The Convo.

Since George Mason's run to the Final 4 mid majors as I've observed have made it deeper into the tournament. The bigger change I'm seeing is the ability of non-traditional basketball focused P5s like Kansas State and Miami Fl able to win in the NCAA tournament. Kentucky vs. Kansas State at one time was an automatic for UK with their mystique. Miami Fl win over Indiana. Alabama having the #1 team in the country but often they are fairly decent out of the SEC. TCU in the tournament as a 6 seed.

Michigan State and UCLA were the only P5 regulars to make the Sweet 16.


FAU is leaving what is left of C-USA? I've said it before and I'll say it again right now. MTSU will rue the day they blew off joining the MAC. WKU should be furious Middle bailed on that package deal that would have the MAC into the Nashville sports media area. What a screw up. All because Middle didn't want to pony up a relatively tiny million bucks exit fee to leave C-USA. FAU apparently didn't have any trouble paying it.




WKU and Middle Tennessee didn’t blow the MAC off, the conference just decided against expansion. The speculation was the current ESPN deal the MAC has; wouldn’t grow with the additional new teams. The same revenue from it would have been divided 14 ways instead of 12.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/32600959/m...

Last Edited: 3/27/2023 10:56:12 AM by FJC31
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