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  Message Not Read  OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 8:43:48 AM 
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/2023/02/... /

He is 124 points away from Pistol Pete's NCAA career scoring record. Detroit has two regular season games left and at least one Horizon League tournament game. They could also receive an invitation to the CBI or whatever took the CIT's place. Even with a losing record last year, they got a bid.

I kinda don't want him to get the record. Am I the only one? Detroit is 58-88 with him on the roster with only one winning season and the Covid year gave him five full years.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 9:01:47 AM 
I am rooting for him solely due to the fact that we can say the all-time leading scorer played here at the Convocation Center.
I got to see him play my sophomore year which was great.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 10:10:49 AM 
I was at that game and I remember it being the Friday or Saturday after Thanksgiving. There's a picture I have on my phone of the scoreboard at the first media time out. With 14:55 left in the first half, Ohio led Detroit 25-5 with Jordan Dartis scoring 18 of Ohio's points. Prorated, Ohio was on pace to score 200 points and Dartis 144. Alas, Ohio ended up winning 91-81 with Dartis being held to 26 points. Davis scored 33 for the Titans.

One of these days I'm going to run into Dartis and share this picture with him.

Last Edited: 2/21/2023 2:42:15 PM by bobcatsquared
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 12:40:29 PM 
Davis has a good shot at outscoring Maravich which would technically give him the record, but man would it be watered down. Maravich only played 83 games because freshman were not permitted to play varsity back then, while Davis has played, to date, 140 games. Maravich also played when the 3 point line was still 15 years in the future. And there was no shot clock...opposing teams would hold the ball for MINUTES in an attempt to keep the ball out of Pete's hands. The two eras simply can not be compared.

Davis's single game highs are, I believe, 48, 46, 43, and 42, while Maravich averaged 44.2pts across his 83 games.

To date, Davis has hit 569 threes (4.06/game) which is solid but some analyses have shown that Maravich would have made, on average, THIRTEEN 3's per game had the 3 point shot existed. So if that's true, Maravich would have an adjusted pts/game average of 57.2. 13 threes and 57.2 points per game looks a lot like the stat line Jamerson had the night he played out of his mind vs Charleston back in 1989 (14 threes and 60 points). Maravich did that, or something close to it, for 83 consecutive games.

Davis might get the record, but Maravich will always have the more impressive college career. By, like, a couple of miles.





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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 4:03:39 PM 
ON THIS DATE: Feb. 21, 1970, Pistol Pete scores 64 points in LSU's 121-105 loss to Kentucky. Dan Issel scores 51 for UK.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 2/21/2023 4:56:25 PM 
Davis has accomplished an incredible feat, already, to be this high on the career scoring list. That deserves celebration whether he passes Maravich or not. But I do feel like comparing his scoring mark to Maravich is apples to oranges. Different era, a lot more games, extra Covid year, etc...
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   Posted: 2/28/2023 11:44:16 PM 
Detroit wins its opening round game in the Horizon League tournament. Davis scores 38. He's within 25 points of the record as the Titans play at Youngstown State Thursday.

If you're in the area.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/1/2023 10:32:35 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Detroit wins its opening round game in the Horizon League tournament. Davis scores 38. He's within 25 points of the record as the Titans play at Youngstown State Thursday.

If you're in the area.


YSU is averaging 85 points a game, so you know they're gonna run.

He had 31 or 2 the first time, but only 15 the second... but I think he's gonna get it. Definitely gonna tune in.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/1/2023 9:26:14 PM 
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.
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   Posted: 3/1/2023 9:53:38 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/1/2023 10:10:40 PM 
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.


Not arguing about anything. Simply stating a fact. College has a defined longevity unlike the pros. Pete could only play 3 years. This guy could play 5. While Davis may eventually be the all time leading scorer, there is more to the story than that. In other words, tell the whole story.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/1/2023 11:39:35 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.


Not arguing about anything. Simply stating a fact. College has a defined longevity unlike the pros. Pete could only play 3 years. This guy could play 5. While Davis may eventually be the all time leading scorer, there is more to the story than that. In other words, tell the whole story.


Exactly, just like Roger Maris, there should be an asterisk next to that record. It’s not the same. Of course, Pistol Pete had a father for a coach who had an offense built around feed the ball to my son and let him shoot, but that’ s different story, just like there’s more to Maris’ asterisk than might meet the eye:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-12-15-850...

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/2/2023 8:39:51 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.


Not arguing about anything. Simply stating a fact. College has a defined longevity unlike the pros. Pete could only play 3 years. This guy could play 5. While Davis may eventually be the all time leading scorer, there is more to the story than that. In other words, tell the whole story.


Exactly, just like Roger Maris, there should be an asterisk next to that record. It’s not the same. Of course, Pistol Pete had a father for a coach who had an offense built around feed the ball to my son and let him shoot, but that’ s different story, just like there’s more to Maris’ asterisk than might meet the eye:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-12-15-850...


As for feeding Pete the ball, many times the only guy who fed him the ball was the fellow inbounding the ball after a made basket. Pete took it from there.
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/2/2023 10:40:35 AM 
Alan Swank wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.


Not arguing about anything. Simply stating a fact. College has a defined longevity unlike the pros. Pete could only play 3 years. This guy could play 5. While Davis may eventually be the all time leading scorer, there is more to the story than that. In other words, tell the whole story.


Exactly, just like Roger Maris, there should be an asterisk next to that record. It’s not the same. Of course, Pistol Pete had a father for a coach who had an offense built around feed the ball to my son and let him shoot, but that’ s different story, just like there’s more to Maris’ asterisk than might meet the eye:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-12-15-850...


As for feeding Pete the ball, many times the only guy who fed him the ball was the fellow inbounding the ball after a made basket. Pete took it from there.



That's also true. But, one does wonder what his per game scoring would have been with a coach more concerned with team work, not to mention defense. He'd still, obviously, have been the top scorer and a national leader, but would he have amassed the record that he did? Personally, I doubt it.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/2/2023 12:41:43 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
Victory wrote:
Alan Swank wrote:
The guy has played 60+ more games than Pistol Pete. It's kind of like Jim Brown. What was his per game average? Records today really don't mean much when you consider the number of games played.


You can always argue about opponent strength and all sorts of things. The record for total points is the record for total points. But these other considerations are why we have rate stats and advanced metrics.


Not arguing about anything. Simply stating a fact. College has a defined longevity unlike the pros. Pete could only play 3 years. This guy could play 5. While Davis may eventually be the all time leading scorer, there is more to the story than that. In other words, tell the whole story.


Exactly, just like Roger Maris, there should be an asterisk next to that record. It’s not the same. Of course, Pistol Pete had a father for a coach who had an offense built around feed the ball to my son and let him shoot, but that’ s different story, just like there’s more to Maris’ asterisk than might meet the eye:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1985-12-15-850...


I don't think there is a record on Roger Maris any more. Most records were set with a 162 game schedule so singling out Maris would be silly. But saying the record doesn't tell the whole story is obvious. I can't imagine why anyone would claim otherwise. But my point is that's the case for every record. It doesn't tell the whole story. Do you want to put asterisk on every record that looks like this?

*He played in 17 more games that the second place holder. He missed 4 more games due to injury in his career due to injury than the second place holder. He played more weak completion but the strongest opponents he played were even stronger than the second place holders most difficult opponents. 7 of those extra games were a result of team accomplishments in advancing farther in tournaments rather than rule changes. The starting point guard he played with during his freshman and sophomore years was a very good passer though he missed 17 games one year due to an injury. During his later years he played with a more selfish point guard as also was the case for most of the backups he played with expect the backup during is senior season. He also was assisted by having a SF who was considered a very good passer for the position. The second place holder's coach often played him well into the game during games that were blowouts as was not the case with his coach except for one exception during his junior year. The sight lines for shooting in his home arena are regarded as better than the second place holder and the softness of the rims..............

We could make this billions of words long and still not cover everything. If we want to make this sort of asterisk for every record then go ahead. If not then I don't see why we do it for select ones. But we all know there are differences because we aren't idiots.

But we also can find the record for points per minute, points per game, homeruns in a 154 game season, the school or team record, the league record, all sorts of advanced metrics that take into account rates, and competition and everything else that they can, computer rankings..... But none of it can ever tell the whole story.

But the record for Homeruns in a major professional career is what it is (Oh)
In an MLB career (Bonds)
In an MLB season (Bonds)
In an MLB season with good drug testing (Judge? kind of arbitrary to define exactly what that means. I'd really need a longer description.)
In an AL season (Judge)
In a 154 game season (Ruth)

And so on and so on.

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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/2/2023 8:46:35 PM 
Just 7 points in the first half for Davis and his mask.

Needs a 19 point second half for the record.

DM: 33
YSU: 29

Last Edited: 3/2/2023 8:47:24 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: OT: Antoine Davis closing in on Pete Maravich
   Posted: 3/2/2023 9:41:41 PM 
9 points away with eight minutes left. Regardless how you may feel about Covid year, three point line, etc etc, it's pretty insane this long standing record is coming down the final minutes of a do or die game.

Unless a BS tournament hands Detroit an invitation.
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   Posted: 3/2/2023 10:13:08 PM 
Davis falls short and Detroit loses. Ironically if they had spread the shots around and his teammates didn't pass up some good looks, they very well could have won and the record would surely have been broken in the next game.

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   Posted: 3/2/2023 10:14:29 PM 
7 for 26 so he tried hard. 4 for 16 from three
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   Posted: 3/3/2023 8:16:34 AM 
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7 for 26 so he tried hard. 4 for 16 from three


You would be crazy if you're the CIT or CBI to not invite Detroit. This is automatic PR for at least the game he's in. I say go for it. Of course when you look at the games played, he played 60 more games than Pistol!!!!!!!
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   Posted: 3/3/2023 8:31:09 AM 
Well I am glad he didn't break it on an 8 for 27 night.

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   Posted: 3/3/2023 9:01:15 AM 
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7 for 26 so he tried hard. 4 for 16 from three


You would be crazy if you're the CIT or CBI to not invite Detroit. This is automatic PR for at least the game he's in. I say go for it. Of course when you look at the games played, he played 60 more games than Pistol!!!!!!!


Sure! Why not. That way when Davis “breaks the record” further asterisk explanation footnotes can be added. Something like “An undeserving Detroit Mercy team was invited to CBI tournament so Davis could break the record”. Works for me.
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   Posted: 3/3/2023 9:39:23 AM 
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colobobcat66 wrote:
7 for 26 so he tried hard. 4 for 16 from three


You would be crazy if you're the CIT or CBI to not invite Detroit. This is automatic PR for at least the game he's in. I say go for it. Of course when you look at the games played, he played 60 more games than Pistol!!!!!!!


Sure! Why not. That way when Davis “breaks the record” further asterisk explanation footnotes can be added. Something like “An undeserving Detroit Mercy team was invited to CBI tournament so Davis could break the record”. Works for me.


Or, you can put the footnote of "things that shouldn't cause you so much anger because it has nothing to do with Ohio University and it's just something cool that even the Pistol would have loved."
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   Posted: 3/3/2023 9:55:08 AM 
Handing an unearned opportunity to an inefficient player on a losing team out of pity doesn't sound very cool to me.
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   Posted: 3/3/2023 10:25:21 AM 
shabamon wrote:
Handing an unearned opportunity to an inefficient player on a losing team out of pity doesn't sound very cool to me.


Inviting a 14 - 19 team into a post season tournament simply confirms that these tournaments are an absolute joke. I'd have a tough time as an alum donating to a school that spends $50K on such an endeavor.
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