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Contingent on Matta being the AD, what are the odds Boals leaves for Butler? Back to Top Cellis033 General User Member Since: 11/11/2021 Location: Powell, OH Post Count: 1,575 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/30/2022 11:01:46 PM  I would understand if they offer and he accepts. But currently my gut says it will not happen. Chase OU Engineering Technology and Management '24 Honda of America Assembly Equipment Engineer Muck Fiami Kant read, Kant write Bowling Green Normie School what even is Kron's mascot Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,872 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/30/2022 11:04:55 PM  It would be more money, and a move out of a one-bid league. So makes some sense (though leaving alma mater). As someone mentioned in another thread, Boals is not a young pup anymore - especially in an industry (college bball coaching) that will get younger and younger given the rigors of re-recruiting every year -- so his next move is most likely his last. Not sure that's Butler. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 2:49:25 AM  With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Back to Top GraffZ06 General User Member Since: 1/5/2005 Location: Dayton, OH Post Count: 1,990 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 4:22:11 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Yep, this. Find a multi-bid league (which equates to $$) and near an urban center (which equates to NIL opps) and run. Run like the wind. The MAC better jump on the JUCO and transfer train every single year or we're going to be ranked in the 20s or lower for the foreseeable future. Oh - and forget the academics charade. This is big-boy paid to play basketball now. If he can dunk, sign him up. It's not like he's going to stay long enough to graduate with some random made up degree anyway. Or don't change a thing, and figure out a way to make a merger with the Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference since those will be the schools we're most closely aligned with. Last Edited: 3/31/2022 4:23:57 AM by GraffZ06 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 7:12:44 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Are you serious? Boals made over 700k last year which is what the average A10 job pays. Ohio basketball is an A10 level job. Can't say the same for most of the MAC though where they let under performing coaches hang around for 9-10 seasons. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 7:41:01 AM  DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote: Since the news of BVP and Sears leaving via the portal, there has been a growing speculation around twitter of Boals being the target man for Butler. Contingent on Matta being the AD, what are the odds Boals leaves for Butler? The key word is “speculation”. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 8:10:04 AM  Club Hyatt wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Are you serious? Boals made over 700k last year which is what the average A10 job pays. Ohio basketball is an A10 level job. Can't say the same for most of the MAC though where they let under performing coaches hang around for 9-10 seasons. I agree the A-10 isn't much of a step-up, but Butler is in the Big East. Without-looking it up, I'd imagine their budget is now far outpacing our own. A decade ago I'd bet we were closer to equals. In this new landscape, more than ever, it feels that Ohio is going to have to really step up to be competitive. Including donors in the NIL arena. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,418 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 8:12:27 AM  The Optimist wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Are you serious? Boals made over 700k last year which is what the average A10 job pays. Ohio basketball is an A10 level job. Can't say the same for most of the MAC though where they let under performing coaches hang around for 9-10 seasons. I agree the A-10 isn't much of a step-up, but Butler is in the Big East. Without-looking it up, I'd imagine their budget is now far outpacing our own. A decade ago I'd bet we were closer to equals. In this new landscape, more than ever, it feels that Ohio is going to have to really step up to be competitive. Including donors in the NIL arena. When Butler barely lost to Duke in the 2010 final, their budget was almost identical to ours. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 8:19:02 AM  shabamon wrote: The Optimist wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: With Ohio's reliance on student fees to fund athletics, and the limitations imposed by being a rural midmajor, and the competitive/recruiting trends against midmajors, I can't see coaching basketball at Ohio to be any more than a short term stepping stone to build a resume. So, I would think any Ohio coach, including Boals, would be well-advised to get out of Dodge ASAP for any A-10 or Mountain West level job. Are you serious? Boals made over 700k last year which is what the average A10 job pays. Ohio basketball is an A10 level job. Can't say the same for most of the MAC though where they let under performing coaches hang around for 9-10 seasons. I agree the A-10 isn't much of a step-up, but Butler is in the Big East. Without-looking it up, I'd imagine their budget is now far outpacing our own. A decade ago I'd bet we were closer to equals. In this new landscape, more than ever, it feels that Ohio is going to have to really step up to be competitive. Including donors in the NIL arena. When Butler barely lost to Duke in the 2010 final, their budget was almost identical to ours. My favorite feature on that old blog "MidMajority" was the "Red Line" showing college basketball budgets. Here is a list from 2020: https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/college-basketball-bu... Butler is not as far ahead as I expected, but they have pulled ahead of us. A Butler blog on Twitter stated Boals buyout drops 100k this coming weekend which could be a factor in timing I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,299 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 10:03:16 AM  I am good with Boals going to Butler. He has turned us around in three years and given his all to Bobcat Basketball. All I ask of Julie Cromer is that she IMMEDIATELY name Lamar Thornton as the head coach and try to retain Lee Martin as his top assistant. I cannot imagine Butler can pay its assistants more than we can pay Lamar as head coach and if it is, we need to pony up the money. Keeping our momentum, it is paramount to keep Lamar. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 10:31:39 AM  That’s right. Keep spending more money and lose more money. Make your checks payable to Ohio University Athletic Department. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 11:05:39 AM  giacomo wrote: That’s right. Keep spending more money and lose more money. Make your checks payable to Ohio University Athletic Department. Seems much more efficient to pay players via NIL and cut out the bureaucrats I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,293 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 11:28:14 AM  One plus for a place like Butler is more financial opportunities for the coach. Being in Indy, there are more, and more lucrative, NIL opportunities for a mid-major coach than a place like Athens can offer. I haven't seen it used much in Columbus lately in connection with O$U. Urban Meyer and Thad Matta used to show up on commercials pretty frequently, but the current coaches don't seem to be interested. A place like Indy could offer some nice opportunities for a local coach. Maybe Ohio should work more with local businesses to develop NIL opportunities for coaches as a way of sweetening the pot for staying. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 11:40:13 AM  Pataskala wrote: One plus for a place like Butler is more financial opportunities for the coach. Being in Indy, there are more, and more lucrative, NIL opportunities for a mid-major coach than a place like Athens can offer. I haven't seen it used much in Columbus lately in connection with O$U. Urban Meyer and Thad Matta used to show up on commercials pretty frequently, but the current coaches don't seem to be interested. A place like Indy could offer some nice opportunities for a local coach. Maybe Ohio should work more with local businesses to develop NIL opportunities for coaches as a way of sweetening the pot for staying. I know OSU dominates the state, but we've got strong alumni bases in Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati. Won't be easy but I'm convinced there is opportunity in those cities. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 11:44:07 AM  Urban Meyer and the like don't need NIL deals, as they are making huge money. Boals is more than fairly compensated for our situation. NIL is for the star players at P5 and some others so the NCAA can delay paying the players. If Boals wants to chase the money, fine. We'll find some up and comer who will do just fine. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,779 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 12:02:42 PM  giacomo wrote: Urban Meyer and the like don't need NIL deals, as they are making huge money. Boals is more than fairly compensated for our situation. NIL is for the star players at P5 and some others so the NCAA can delay paying the players. If Boals wants to chase the money, fine. We'll find some up and comer who will do just fine. They will do just fine, and they will also make $700k Back to Top DJCooperBurnerAccount General User Member Since: 2/4/2019 Post Count: 143 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 12:40:49 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: I am good with Boals going to Butler. He has turned us around in three years and given his all to Bobcat Basketball. All I ask of Julie Cromer is that she IMMEDIATELY name Lamar Thornton as the head coach and try to retain Lee Martin as his top assistant. I cannot imagine Butler can pay its assistants more than we can pay Lamar as head coach and if it is, we need to pony up the money. Keeping our momentum, it is paramount to keep Lamar. +1 Those are my thoughts exactly. We can't lose Lamar Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,779 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 1:04:19 PM  DJCooperBurnerAccount wrote: Bobcat1998 wrote: I am good with Boals going to Butler. He has turned us around in three years and given his all to Bobcat Basketball. All I ask of Julie Cromer is that she IMMEDIATELY name Lamar Thornton as the head coach and try to retain Lee Martin as his top assistant. I cannot imagine Butler can pay its assistants more than we can pay Lamar as head coach and if it is, we need to pony up the money. Keeping our momentum, it is paramount to keep Lamar. +1 Those are my thoughts exactly. We can't lose Lamar So, I am curious, what leads you to believe that Lamar is the next great young coach? A must retain without a search? I say that, fully admitting I think he's a great person. But curious as to what you weigh his future ability to be a head coach at Ohio on? Back to Top Diamond Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 819 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 1:19:44 PM  This early end of season news is really going to crush our conference more and more. I couldn't blame JB if he left. All the recruiting hard work only to lose players every year. No thanks. The clown show NCAA has made conferences like ours the minor leagues. Come play for a year or two and then head out for Millions (NOT). These kids and their parents are chasing vapor 90% of the time. May not be a popular thing to say but I watched every single game this year. Sears played the last month like a kid with one foot out the door. I know he played a lot of minutes but I personally didn't think he was fully engaged. Now it makes sense because I couldn't figure out the collapse. Back to Top Joe Green General User Member Since: 4/6/2015 Post Count: 18 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 1:43:19 PM  When has promoting an Assistant coach ever worked out at OU? Billy Hahn, Knorr, etc? Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,458 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 2:17:03 PM  The Optimist wrote: giacomo wrote: That’s right. Keep spending more money and lose more money. Make your checks payable to Ohio University Athletic Department. Seems much more efficient to pay players via NIL and cut out the bureaucrats I think you've hit on a winning strategy for OU. Find a coach you can pay 150k a year and spend the other $430,000 on the players. Invariably some of that salary comes from donors, so just ask the donors to instead create a fund for player pay. You can pay 8 recruits $50k plus a year. We can be college basketball's first co-op. Hell, every time there's a coaching vacancy at OU somebody here throws out the name of a recent player with no experience anyhow. May as well pull the trigger. Last Edited: 3/31/2022 2:17:51 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,458 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 2:20:32 PM  Diamond Cat wrote: The clown show NCAA has made conferences like ours the minor leagues. Come play for a year or two and then head out for Millions (NOT). These kids and their parents are chasing vapor 90% of the time. One poster here posted anonymously about a conversation he had with Sears' Mom about the NIL, and now it's assumed that's the sole reason for the decision. I could make a long list of claims on BobcatAttack.com that it would have been a bad idea to accept at face value. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 2:54:29 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Diamond Cat wrote: The clown show NCAA has made conferences like ours the minor leagues. Come play for a year or two and then head out for Millions (NOT). These kids and their parents are chasing vapor 90% of the time. One poster here posted anonymously about a conversation he had with Sears' Mom about the NIL, and now it's assumed that's the sole reason for the decision. I could make a long list of claims on BobcatAttack.com that it would have been a bad idea to accept at face value. Yep, that's the illogic going on here. We don't know the reasons and may never know. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: Boals Future    Posted: 3/31/2022 3:12:08 PM  As others have pointed out, mid majors are in this situation due to pending court rulings. We have to adjust our thinking and adapt to reality. I was initially against relaxing transfer rules because I anticipated it would turn into the Wild West with blatant poaching going on by high majors throughout the year. I guess I plead guilty to BLSOS's accusation that I was thinking more about mid major roster stability and competitive balance than individual rights. But it is what it is. This is the new reality. I'm trying now to see the individual rights angle more clearly. Coaches, athletic depts, players and yes, even us fans, are going through a difficult adjustment period. As for A. Ruck's and Love's laments about players' lack of loyalty to colleges...as you know, this is a culture change. Young people see things differently today. It's more of an individual mindset. (However, a lot of coaches from the older generation set a precedent by bolting out of contracts and otherwise not being loyal.) I think it's unfair to Mark Sears to question his morality for merely acting within the new boundaries to better himself. Guess schools like Ohio have to recruit the portal hard. Hard to build a mid major program only on HS players these days. 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