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shabamon
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Conference tournament talk

Posted: 2/28/2022 9:55:38 AM

The NEC kicks off single elimination college basketball tonight with a play-in game between Central Connecticut and Fairleigh Dickinson. So let's talk conference tournaments.

Check out the tournament bracket for the WCC.

https://wccsports.com/documents/2022/2/27//2022_Universit...

Single, double, and TRIPLE byes. Talk about protecting your top teams and valuing the regular season. Not like Gonzaga and St. Mary's need the help. This would be a good format for a league with a top team that's not at-large worthy but could still maaaaaaybe do damage in the tournament with the right matchup. Like the NEC where Bryant and Wagner are clearly their best teams. At the same time, this doesn't exactly feel like a true tournament. And I'm not so keen on a format that makes playing five games in six days a possibility.

I like the Horizon format:

https://external-preview.redd.it/3WIaYMdAURJXZmjQZu3q6CBO...

Single byes for the top four seeds. First round played between the next eight on campus sites. Then re-seeded for the quarterfinals so the #1 seed plays the lowest remaining seed. The quarterfinals are still played at campus sights of the higher seeds, so that's kind of cool that home fans of the best teams still get one more game on campus. Then re-seeded again for the semis so the top remaining seed plays the lowest remaining seed. Seems like a happy medium between what the WCC does and what we do.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 2/28/2022 12:19:50 PM

Off top of my head, so very well may be wrong, but didn't the MAC double bye teams not have much success in the time we did that?

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 2/28/2022 1:11:46 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Off top of my head, so very well may be wrong, but didn't the MAC double bye teams not have much success in the time we did that?

Don't remember what happened with the MAC but I know several high-seed teams in other conferences hated getting a double-bye because their first game was against a team that had already played a game or two in the tourney, so their butterflies were gone. It would be interesting to see how many double- or triple-bye teams actually win their tourney.

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shabamon
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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 2/28/2022 1:15:07 PM

It worked in 2013. We and Akron had the byes and got to the championship.

EDIT: We had a double bye format in 2012 too. We got a single bye and played Toledo for what was their third game in four days. Beat them then beat the double bye team in Buffalo.

Last Edited: 2/28/2022 1:20:35 PM by shabamon

Victory
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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 2/28/2022 1:24:06 PM

#1 and #2 received a bye to the semi-finals. #3 and #4 received a bye to the quarters. The other 8 had to win 5 games in 5 days.

I don't like this sort of format because it creates really small gaps between earning some seeds (#1 and #2) and huge gaps between others (#4 and #5). If you start jacking with the S-CURVE that has to happen somewhere. This is especially true for the MAC which usually has insane parity. I believe that one of those years the #2 and #5 seeds finished tied in standings but one had to win 2 games and one had to win 5.

I am OK with what the Horizon does though.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/1/2022 1:14:25 PM

IUPUI vs. Oakland in a Horizon league first rounder today. Apparently, IUPUI is bringing only five players, and no telling if all five are 100% healthy.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/1/2022 1:56:31 PM

shabamon wrote:

IUPUI vs. Oakland in a Horizon league first rounder today. Apparently, IUPUI is bringing only five players, and no telling if all five are 100% healthy.

I have been surprised to see IUPUI as one of the bottom three worst teams in D1 this year. Now I understand why. That sound like it might have been even worse than what befell OUr women's tea, this season. But, of course, women's basketball has, I think, 2 extra scholarships so having to play some games with 6 healthy women takes an awful lot of bad luck.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/1/2022 2:09:36 PM

shabamon wrote:

IUPUI vs. Oakland in a Horizon league first rounder today. Apparently, IUPUI is bringing only five players, and no telling if all five are 100% healthy.

I also didn't realize Oakland, who was in first place most of the year had fallen all the way to fifth place. At least Cleveland State won. For all I have said about how back the MAC is close to half of the conferences in the country are still probably worse. This is one one them. Cleveland State isn't a great team but this is probably our second best OOC win. We see top ten teams lose to teams like Cleveland State every other year or so on a neutral court so getting a road win against them is far from a gimmie win for a team like Ohio.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/3/2022 10:48:41 AM

An absolutely brutal way to end your season. 16-13 UNC-Asheville loses to bottom seed Charleston Southern on a put back of a missed three at the buzzer. Charleston Southern had only two D1 wins on the year before yesterday, and UNC-A probably had aspirations to get to at least the semis. The abruptness of the play must be like taking a bullet to the head.

https://twitter.com/BSSdavidburner/status/149913609760720...

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/3/2022 10:53:54 AM

Geez, this is Day 1 of the Big South tournament:

OT game

Buzzer beater putback for the win

OT game

2OT game with game-winning 3

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/3/2022 4:44:40 PM

shabamon wrote:

Geez, this is Day 1 of the Big South tournament:

OT game

Buzzer beater putback for the win

OT game

2OT game with game-winning 3

This highlights why I would argue that from tomorrow (Friday) to Selection Sunday, we see better basketball than we do in the NCAA Tournament. Conference Tournament week is where it's at!

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/3/2022 5:02:03 PM

1-bid conference tourneys > multi-bid conference tourneys

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/3/2022 11:21:56 PM

I wasn't a fan of the double bye back when the MAC tried it. Single byes are fine, but doubles mess with the integrity of a tournament.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/4/2022 11:35:30 AM

Depending on what everyone has access to for viewing, there will be no shortage of win and advance games to watch every day for the next week as a great appetizer to the big dance!

Great time of year for hoops fans.

Fun seeing the Charleston Southerns of the world win a game or two after long, challenging seasons. Easy to forget that bad teams still put in a lot of work without much to show for it.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/4/2022 7:34:23 PM

OUcats82 wrote:

This is the time of year to bring a second screen, or at least laptop into the viewing room.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/4/2022 7:52:29 PM

OU_Country wrote:

shabamon wrote:

Geez, this is Day 1 of the Big South tournament:

OT game

Buzzer beater putback for the win

OT game

2OT game with game-winning 3

This highlights why I would argue that from tomorrow (Friday) to Selection Sunday, we see better basketball than we do in the NCAA Tournament. Conference Tournament week is where it's at!

I have friends who take this week off work. More exciting games they say than the NCAA first week.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/6/2022 5:10:50 PM

Automatic tickets punched to date (as of Sunday 13 March)
* Edited to add their seed since people seemed interested

March 5
Ohio Valley: #1 Murray State Racers (30-2)

March 6
Big South: #1 Longwood Lancers (26-6)
Missouri Valley: #4 Loyola(IL) Ramblers (25-7)

March 7
Sun Belt: #3 Georgia State Panthers (18-10)
Southern: #1 Chattanooga Mocs (27-7)

March 8
Atlantic Sun: #1 Jacksonville State Gamecocks (21-10) * #W2 Bellarmine Knights N/A
Colonial: #5 Delaware Blue Hens (22-12)
Horizon: #4 Wright State Raiders (21-13)
Northeast: #1 Bryant Bulldogs (22-9)
Summit: #1 South Dakota State Jackrabbits (30-4)
West Coast: #1 Gonzaga Bulldogs (26-3)

March 9
Patriot: #1 Colgate Raiders (23-11)

March 12
America East: #1 Vermont Catamounts (28-5)
Mid-Eastern Athletic: #1 Norfolk State Spartans (24-6)
Metro: #2 St. Peter's Peacocks (19-11)
Southwest Athletic: #2 Texas Southern Tigers (18-12)
Mid-American: #4 Akron Zips (24-9)
Big Sky: #1 Montana State Bobcats (27-7)
Conference USA: #2W UAB Blazers (27-7)
Southland: #4 Texas A&M CC Islanders (23-11)
Mtn West: #1 Boise State Broncos (27-7)
Western Athletic: #1 New Mexico State Aggies (26-6)
Big West: #2 CSU Fullerton Titans (21-10)
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Big 12: #1 Kansas Jayhawks (28-6)
Big East: #2 Villanova Wildcats (26-7)
Atlantic Coast: #7 Virginia Tech Hokies (23-12)
Pac 12: #1 Arizona Wildcats (31-3)

March 13
Ivy: #2 Yale Bulldogs (19-11)
Atlantic 10: #6 Richmond Spiders (23-12)
American: #1 Houston Cougars (29-5)
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Big Ten: #5 Iowa Hawkeyes (26-9)
Southeast: #2 Tennessee Volunteers (26-7)

Last Edited: 3/13/2022 5:41:28 PM by GraffZ06

shabamon
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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 8:55:12 PM

SoCon final going to OT. Get in here now. Livewire atmosphere!

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 8:58:59 PM

Interesting that the #1 seeds aren't getting far into tourneys played on neutral floors.

MVC final in St. Louis was between #3 Drake and #4 Loyola. If Loyola hadn't won, MVC would like have had two bids to the Dance (Loyola has a 25 NET).

In the Horizon at Indy, #1 Cleve St is down by 15 to #4 Wright St with five minutes to go. The winner faces either #2 IPFW or #3 NKU. Horizon is a one-bid league this year; Oakland has the best NET at 174, NKU is 201, Wright is at 203, IPFW 224.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:08:28 PM

Former Bobcat walk on and current Chattanooga Moc Assistant Coach David McKinley is going dancing again. Mocs win on a 35 foot buzzer beater in OT to win by 1 over Furman

Last Edited: 3/7/2022 9:09:28 PM by Eagle66

shabamon
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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:10:43 PM

Chattanooga cans a contested shot from 40 feet. All net to win by one and punch the ticket. What a tremendous college basketball finish.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:16:18 PM

Pataskala wrote:

CAA #1 seed Towson loses in the semifinals to #5 seed Delaware tonight as well

shabamon
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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:20:39 PM

I watch a lot of college hoops but have mostly missed Gonzaga. My God, Chet Holmgren is skilled. Put another 30 pounds on him and he's Dirk Nowitzki.

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:44:36 PM

shabamon wrote:

Chattanooga cans a contested shot from 40 feet. All net to win by one and punch the ticket. What a tremendous college basketball finish.

They had a timeout left and didn't use it.

Living dangerously!!

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RE: Conference tournament talk

Posted: 3/7/2022 9:47:02 PM

shabamon wrote:

I watch a lot of college hoops but have mostly missed Gonzaga. My God, Chet Holmgren is skilled. Put another 30 pounds on him and he's Dirk Nowitzki.

I'm not sure he's the next Dirk, but he does have abnormally long arms which come in handy. It makes a 7-footer seem like he's 7-6. Walker Kessler too.

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