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  Message Not Read  39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 1:31:22 AM 
It felt like a lot longer- in a good way- but it was really a "get in, get out" sort of trip. My thoughts:

Indianapolis: Color me impressed. I've never spent time in the city, and I really enjoyed it. I found a wonderful whisky bar on Mass Ave. that also sold pizza by the very large slice. Getting around downtown was easy and pleasant, and nothing felt too far away. Their airport is one of the better ones in the US. I should have expected this, but everything closes by midnight. Grade: A-

Seeing the Bobcats live: The last game I was at was USF in 2012. So, yeah, it had been a while. And living in Texas, I found myself physically and mentally distanced from Ohio basketball. It was work to keep up with things and I was less interested as a result. But, man, being there live, it all came back. It felt like it always did, even though this was a group of people I've never seen before. It was like settling into a warm bath. We want them to win, but the experience isn't changed by the result. The wanting them to win and supporting the team is what truly matters. Grade: A+

Bobcat fans: We outnumbered Creighton by 3:1, if not 4:1, and they seemed shocked. We were engaged, loud, and supportive until the end. When the canned fight song ended, we all knew exactly what to do and the timing. We even didn't unnecessarily speed up the "defense" chant! We even did the very OHIO thing of, "OK, down 10 with a minute left, if they hit a three..." Because we never stopped. The only problem was the same that happens in every neutral venue: Ohio fans are scattershot and there's nobody to really take charge and lead. I started asking myself, should I start a cheer? Would people know it? Are there ones I don't know? I realize I was probably the only person thinking about this. And it was truly special to see so many people I've known. It was like coming across this group of people who knew a secret that nobody else did. Grade: A

Creighton fans: You would think, given the fact this program had not been to the Sweet 16 in a very long time, and they were cruising in the second half, that you'd get some enthusiasm from the fans. But they could only muster a "Let's go Jays!" every once in a while. How do you allow yourselves to get schooled by the fans of the team losing by 15? Grade: C-

The team: Someone compared this to Tennessee in 2010, and there's something to that. We crested in the first round and it just wasn't going to happen for us on Monday. The legs didn't bend quite as much. That's basketball, and sometimes stuff doesn't go down. I don't think we played particularly poorly and I don't think Creighton was significantly better. We got their "B" game and we had a "D" shooting day. It happens. If I could have changed one thing, it was I wish they had prioritized getting the ball inside more, because we were exploiting them near the rim. We took that early lead and I know the people with me and myself thought, yeah, we got this. Then we missed some threes. Then we missed some more. Then we missed a bunny or two. And the crap just started falling downhill. But they did just enough to keep the Jays honest. Preston didn't have a good night, which is a weird thing to say about a guard who nearly puts up a double-double off rebounds and assists. He either couldn't or didn't want to be the driving force, whether that was getting to the rim, or shooting from outside. You could see the wheels turning in his head. He made bad passes, some because he was trying to be flashy. We had a lot of turnovers from someone passing to a place where they thought someone was gonna be, or someone not catching a pass, or someone not seeing the defender ready to pounce the passing lane. Honestly, I would not have minded seeing Granger more, because he was doing some positive things. I dunno, it was just weird, and I don't think it was a representative performance. At least they saved me the trouble of flying back this weekend. But as Coach says, this team is about character. That's something that I highly value from our alma mater's representatives. Win or lose, we can be proud of these guys. Grade: C+

Creighton's team: Obviously, they performed well. Congratulations to them and the program, which has made tremendous strides the last several years. Grade: F--

Hyatt Place Airport: One of the friendliest staffs I've come across at a hotel not owned by Disney. Grade: A

COVID unexpected blessings: The NCAA has been slowly sucking the soul out of basketball this century. Bland, identical courts; imposition of corporate sponsors on everything; rigid rules for bands and cheerleaders; moving from arenas to giant stadia that were never meant to host basketball; a sterile feeling of "The NCAA Presents: An Approved Demonstration of Basketball." But, sports have had to do a lot of "we just need to make something work" this last year, and fans have benefitted in some unexpected ways. Like in F1, we got to see tracks never before raced or the return of popular tracks that hadn't hosted Grands Prix in a while. For NCAA basketball, it's the return of the tournament to Mecca locations like Hinkle Fieldhouse. I can't tell you how special it is to be able to see your team in the Round of 32 at a bucket list location. And it was really, really cool for everyone to be in the same city. And it was a lot of fun to chuckle just loud enough for the Purdue fan passing you to hear. Grade: A

Having a layover in Austin, then your flight getting delayed so much it would've been faster to drive home: D-

75% of the Austin airport's food options being closed at 3 PM: F

Shaka Smart's hair: D

Not worrying about the offseason and who might be leaving or coming back and just taking it as it comes: Que sera sera.

Your program winning three consecutive first round games against major schools: A+

Last Edited: 3/27/2021 1:34:44 AM by JSF


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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 6:56:02 AM 
Indy is surprisingly nice. I expected Columbus and got Columbus if crazy people didn’t live there. I wouldn’t want to live there, but it’s perfect for a large sporting event. Walkable, organized and compact.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 8:13:55 AM 
JSF wrote:
it's the return of the tournament to Mecca locations like Hinkle Fieldhouse. I can't tell you how special it is to be able to see your team in the Round of 32 at a bucket list location.


Would love to know how many coaches bring tape measures.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 9:25:54 AM 
JSF wrote:
It felt like a lot longer- in a good way- but it was really a "get in, get out" sort of trip. My thoughts:

Indianapolis: Color me impressed. I've never spent time in the city, and I really enjoyed it. I found a wonderful whisky bar on Mass Ave. that also sold pizza by the very large slice. Getting around downtown was easy and pleasant, and nothing felt too far away. Their airport is one of the better ones in the US. I should have expected this, but everything closes by midnight. Grade: A-

Seeing the Bobcats live: The last game I was at was USF in 2012. So, yeah, it had been a while. And living in Texas, I found myself physically and mentally distanced from Ohio basketball. It was work to keep up with things and I was less interested as a result. But, man, being there live, it all came back. It felt like it always did, even though this was a group of people I've never seen before. It was like settling into a warm bath. We want them to win, but the experience isn't changed by the result. The wanting them to win and supporting the team is what truly matters. Grade: A+

Bobcat fans: We outnumbered Creighton by 3:1, if not 4:1, and they seemed shocked. We were engaged, loud, and supportive until the end. When the canned fight song ended, we all knew exactly what to do and the timing. We even didn't unnecessarily speed up the "defense" chant! We even did the very OHIO thing of, "OK, down 10 with a minute left, if they hit a three..." Because we never stopped. The only problem was the same that happens in every neutral venue: Ohio fans are scattershot and there's nobody to really take charge and lead. I started asking myself, should I start a cheer? Would people know it? Are there ones I don't know? I realize I was probably the only person thinking about this. And it was truly special to see so many people I've known. It was like coming across this group of people who knew a secret that nobody else did. Grade: A

Creighton fans: You would think, given the fact this program had not been to the Sweet 16 in a very long time, and they were cruising in the second half, that you'd get some enthusiasm from the fans. But they could only muster a "Let's go Jays!" every once in a while. How do you allow yourselves to get schooled by the fans of the team losing by 15? Grade: C-

The team: Someone compared this to Tennessee in 2010, and there's something to that. We crested in the first round and it just wasn't going to happen for us on Monday. The legs didn't bend quite as much. That's basketball, and sometimes stuff doesn't go down. I don't think we played particularly poorly and I don't think Creighton was significantly better. We got their "B" game and we had a "D" shooting day. It happens. If I could have changed one thing, it was I wish they had prioritized getting the ball inside more, because we were exploiting them near the rim. We took that early lead and I know the people with me and myself thought, yeah, we got this. Then we missed some threes. Then we missed some more. Then we missed a bunny or two. And the crap just started falling downhill. But they did just enough to keep the Jays honest. Preston didn't have a good night, which is a weird thing to say about a guard who nearly puts up a double-double off rebounds and assists. He either couldn't or didn't want to be the driving force, whether that was getting to the rim, or shooting from outside. You could see the wheels turning in his head. He made bad passes, some because he was trying to be flashy. We had a lot of turnovers from someone passing to a place where they thought someone was gonna be, or someone not catching a pass, or someone not seeing the defender ready to pounce the passing lane. Honestly, I would not have minded seeing Granger more, because he was doing some positive things. I dunno, it was just weird, and I don't think it was a representative performance. At least they saved me the trouble of flying back this weekend. But as Coach says, this team is about character. That's something that I highly value from our alma mater's representatives. Win or lose, we can be proud of these guys. Grade: C+

Creighton's team: Obviously, they performed well. Congratulations to them and the program, which has made tremendous strides the last several years. Grade: F--

Hyatt Place Airport: One of the friendliest staffs I've come across at a hotel not owned by Disney. Grade: A

COVID unexpected blessings: The NCAA has been slowly sucking the soul out of basketball this century. Bland, identical courts; imposition of corporate sponsors on everything; rigid rules for bands and cheerleaders; moving from arenas to giant stadia that were never meant to host basketball; a sterile feeling of "The NCAA Presents: An Approved Demonstration of Basketball." But, sports have had to do a lot of "we just need to make something work" this last year, and fans have benefitted in some unexpected ways. Like in F1, we got to see tracks never before raced or the return of popular tracks that hadn't hosted Grands Prix in a while. For NCAA basketball, it's the return of the tournament to Mecca locations like Hinkle Fieldhouse. I can't tell you how special it is to be able to see your team in the Round of 32 at a bucket list location. And it was really, really cool for everyone to be in the same city. And it was a lot of fun to chuckle just loud enough for the Purdue fan passing you to hear. Grade: A

Having a layover in Austin, then your flight getting delayed so much it would've been faster to drive home: D-

75% of the Austin airport's food options being closed at 3 PM: F

Shaka Smart's hair: D

Not worrying about the offseason and who might be leaving or coming back and just taking it as it comes: Que sera sera.

Your program winning three consecutive first round games against major schools: A+


Good review. Thank you.

When I moved back to Muncie following residency someone asked about Indy...my reply...was "there's too much money here" but I thought about it and gone were the drugs hovels and burnt out properties downtown. The newly commissoned Sports Corp had attracted the Pam Am games and started seeking out National Governing Bodies like the NCAA, USTAF, NFHS, Marching Bands of America and Drum Corps International were their among their targets to make this a sports centric city. The hotel industry and cultural interests were quick to respond as well.

Broad RIpple (the area between the Fairgrounds and Hinkle/Butler was the hot spot) was hoppin then and the comedy clubs/pubs attracted a younger set, later with my second son leading the way, we migrated our evenings out to the east end of Mass Ave. This happened about 12 years ago and have continued to watch it grow back toward downtown. I am really anxious to see the changes with the old Coke plant during the pandemic. https://www.bottleworksdistrict.com/history
Happy you found it.

Hinkle is magic. I suspect the Palestra would be as well. It helps to know the history as those ghosts become real and palpable when you walk through a door and see the ironwork and brick. When I visited Municipal in Kansas City prior to our game I had the same goosebumps I have felt each of a couple of hundred games when walking into Hinkle and the history engulfs me. Told Ellis of one of my favorite personal memories pre game. Sunlight (we did not get to see) coming through the east windows is memorable. Goose bumps were there this time as well. In the same place I have seen Frierson, Sean May, Jared Jeffries, Oden, Montross, Gordon, Hayward, George Hill and a bunch of HS kids before they were "names" I got to see the team that I have followed with the added bonus that I got to see another game there with Tommy completing the circle from his days as a toddler introducing him to hoops to seeing him as a player there then to a game post career and now coaching. That was special. If he ever brings a team to play there .....wow.

The new Airport makes life really good. Sorry things are closed. We do roll up streets and sidewalks here thinking "nothing good happens after midnight". If you had more time I would share the burgeoning and healthy Brew scene here. Fountain Square is an area you maybe would like. Kind of a gritty, more "hip" area complete with Breweries and "duckpin bowling".

The tight, orderly grid and spoke layout of the city suits our Midwest sensibilites and makes things accessible and close when planning commissions ensure fans are at the center of their focus and the experience is memorable enough to wake you want to come back...

When I go to other cities, STL, KC, Columbus, ATL and really, all others, I always return appreciative of how Indy does it and thank those visionaries (RIP) of the Sports Corp https://www.indianasportscorp.org / that saw what the city could be. They started the migration back downtown. Lucas Oil, Victory Field, Banker's Life replaced the original Hoosier Dome, Victory and Market Square structures they originally replaced places like the Fairgrounds (used currently by NCAA and IUPUI) where the Pacers started.

Thanks to all that came. We here all really hope your experience was good and that you will find your way back to Indy for a day at the track, NCAA regional, Visit to the NCAA, CHildren's Museum, Brewery Tours, Mass Ave/Fountain Square, Zoo or just to get away and spend time exploring. As much as I love time in Chicago and Dayton it is always easy to drive down to Indy and find something in this Midwest Gem.

Last Edited: 3/27/2021 9:58:14 AM by bornacatfan


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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 12:21:37 PM 
Thanks to JSF and bornacatfan for the reviews. I enjoyed my time in Indianapolis and Bloomington. I want to come back when the COVID issues have dissipated further and explore a lot of these sites. Being in Assembly Hall and Hinkle was awesome.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/27/2021 2:44:41 PM 
Jeff McKinney wrote:
Thanks to JSF and bornacatfan for the reviews. I enjoyed my time in Indianapolis and Bloomington. I want to come back when the COVID issues have dissipated further and explore a lot of these sites. Being in Assembly Hall and Hinkle was awesome.


"like button"

It was great catching up with you, Ted, Ellis, The Voice (Lou), James and all the other Cat fans.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/28/2021 12:12:23 AM 
"Like button" to this whole thread.
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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/28/2021 9:13:47 AM 
GraffZ06 wrote:
"Like button" to this whole thread.


Yep and indeed!!


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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/28/2021 8:32:35 PM 
I, for one, am kinda excited to welcome JSF into the fold of engaged former courtside agitators.

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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/28/2021 11:08:13 PM 
I did forget to mention meeting Thad Matta, who absolutely did not want to be recognized and was visibly uncomfortable when I approached him.


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  Message Not Read  RE: 39 Hours in Indianapolis
   Posted: 3/29/2021 10:53:28 AM 
One of my favorite things about downtown Indy is how clean it seems to be. After living in Cincinnati for 10 years and now Austin, it's something you don't really pay attention to until you actually see it.

I kinda miss that drive on 74 between Cinci and Indy though, as it was super convenient that they were that close and rarely any cops. Love leaving town after the 500 because the Indy State Patrol essentially just wants you the hell out of their state and you can put the pedal to the floor until you reach the Ohio border.
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