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Author Message longtiimelurker General User Member Since: 2/2/2017 Post Count: 587 Status: Offline     How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/3/2020 7:24:05 PM  https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/power-fiv... / This may get kind of interesting when P5 schools start to break away. Will they just split for football or will it be across the board with other revenue sports? Will it eventually include Olympic sports? Interesting times. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,780 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/3/2020 11:32:57 PM  You realize this is from August, the NCAA cancelled all fall sports championships, many P5’s cancelled fall sports on their own, and there is still an NCAA Back to Top SVAC83 General User Member Since: 10/1/2019 Post Count: 143 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/4/2020 2:29:06 PM  yesterday a group that was formed announced the power 5 should move out on their own their was something new on this yesterday. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,780 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/4/2020 5:20:14 PM  SVAC83 wrote: yesterday a group that was formed announced the power 5 should move out on their own their was something new on this yesterday. I saw that and I’m not sure still it will actually happen. First the power five will have to create and fund their own oversight agency which would have to come from their own pockets and not from the benefit of 1200 member schools paying dues and sharing resources. I’m not sure that something they want to do. And the commission report was for all of FBs, not just a power 5 Last Edited: 12/4/2020 11:05:25 PM by BillyTheCat Back to Top SVAC83 General User Member Since: 10/1/2019 Post Count: 143 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/4/2020 7:09:02 PM  i think it would only be for football any way because it is not like the NCAA runs football now. But if they stay or go. Football really needs a governing authority. Or at least in my opinion they do. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/5/2020 12:30:48 PM  To me the biggest consideration is being a force within your conference. Being one of those Top 3 programs that are regularly discussed by the media as a force in the conference race. Otherwise I don't care what conference you're in if you aren't doing anything in it it doesn't matter. Does anyone talk about LaSalle basketball because they are in the A10? Then I think its how competitive that conference is nationally. Playing in Division 1 with the P5 makes cracking into the basketball or football Top 25 very difficult. It would be difficult enough with the resource disparity but they also stack the schedule with cupcakes at home which is acceptable by the polls since they already play the P5 competition in conference. The best outcome I think is if the P5 just left in all sports that way the MAC would be one of the top conferences left behind. They can have their own NCAA tournament on ESPN while traditional Division 1 continues to have a viable tournament on CBS. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/5/2020 1:21:25 PM  My prediction is because the only way to guarantee more revenue is by expanding the postseason we will see an expanded NCAA tournament soon. If they moved to 72 teams they could go to 8 play-in games pre Thursday. Make the teams all be the last 8 at-large bids out so 16 and 15 can get the reward of a first round weekend against a #1/#2 seed for winning their conferences. Then with 8 games on Tuesday/Wednesday with Top 40 schools represented that would bring in more ratings than having 4 games with two of them play-ins for 16 seed. At the moment the play-in games are somewhat discounted since the only decent names that show up in it are St. Bonaventure or VCU. But with 16 teams including a lot of P5 names Tuesday/Wednesday would marketable opening days. That would increase the chances of the MAC getting a second bid in the NCAAs and also free up 4 more slots in the NIT which is a national TV tournament with higher caliber teams than CIT/CBI. P5 of course won't even participate in CBI/CIT. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,780 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/5/2020 4:28:34 PM  Club Hyatt wrote: My prediction is because the only way to guarantee more revenue is by expanding the postseason we will see an expanded NCAA tournament soon. If they moved to 72 teams they could go to 8 play-in games pre Thursday. Make the teams all be the last 8 at-large bids out so 16 and 15 can get the reward of a first round weekend against a #1/#2 seed for winning their conferences. Then with 8 games on Tuesday/Wednesday with Top 40 schools represented that would bring in more ratings than having 4 games with two of them play-ins for 16 seed. At the moment the play-in games are somewhat discounted since the only decent names that show up in it are St. Bonaventure or VCU. But with 16 teams including a lot of P5 names Tuesday/Wednesday would marketable opening days. That would increase the chances of the MAC getting a second bid in the NCAAs and also free up 4 more slots in the NIT which is a national TV tournament with higher caliber teams than CIT/CBI. P5 of course won't even participate in CBI/CIT. The missed point here is if the P5 splits off they have to fund, by themselves all the support that the NCAA provides, have to hire their own investigation teams and compliance teams, and WITHOUT the subsidy of 1200 other schools membership dues. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/5/2020 5:32:35 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: My prediction is because the only way to guarantee more revenue is by expanding the postseason we will see an expanded NCAA tournament soon. If they moved to 72 teams they could go to 8 play-in games pre Thursday. Make the teams all be the last 8 at-large bids out so 16 and 15 can get the reward of a first round weekend against a #1/#2 seed for winning their conferences. Then with 8 games on Tuesday/Wednesday with Top 40 schools represented that would bring in more ratings than having 4 games with two of them play-ins for 16 seed. At the moment the play-in games are somewhat discounted since the only decent names that show up in it are St. Bonaventure or VCU. But with 16 teams including a lot of P5 names Tuesday/Wednesday would marketable opening days. That would increase the chances of the MAC getting a second bid in the NCAAs and also free up 4 more slots in the NIT which is a national TV tournament with higher caliber teams than CIT/CBI. P5 of course won't even participate in CBI/CIT. The missed point here is if the P5 splits off they have to fund, by themselves all the support that the NCAA provides, have to hire their own investigation teams and compliance teams, and WITHOUT the subsidy of 1200 other schools membership dues. That's a great point you are making here. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OU didn't know General User Member Since: 3/20/2005 Post Count: 185 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/5/2020 10:21:16 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: My prediction is because the only way to guarantee more revenue is by expanding the postseason we will see an expanded NCAA tournament soon. If they moved to 72 teams they could go to 8 play-in games pre Thursday. Make the teams all be the last 8 at-large bids out so 16 and 15 can get the reward of a first round weekend against a #1/#2 seed for winning their conferences. Then with 8 games on Tuesday/Wednesday with Top 40 schools represented that would bring in more ratings than having 4 games with two of them play-ins for 16 seed. At the moment the play-in games are somewhat discounted since the only decent names that show up in it are St. Bonaventure or VCU. But with 16 teams including a lot of P5 names Tuesday/Wednesday would marketable opening days. That would increase the chances of the MAC getting a second bid in the NCAAs and also free up 4 more slots in the NIT which is a national TV tournament with higher caliber teams than CIT/CBI. P5 of course won't even participate in CBI/CIT. The missed point here is if the P5 splits off they have to fund, by themselves all the support that the NCAA provides, have to hire their own investigation teams and compliance teams, and WITHOUT the subsidy of 1200 other schools membership dues. The reality is, if the P5 schools agreed to form the new conference, there would be absolutely no issue finding the money to make it work based on the revenue it would generate, nor would they have an issue building the committees they need. Since I’m assuming this league would be changing their rules, allowing schools to pay players, and so on, I think it essentially becomes a semi-pro league over time. There’s 65 Power 5 football teams. They could play a March Madness style tournament where everyone gets in. Can you imagine how much money those games would make? Through ticket sales and ad space? The other question I have is do all of the member schools contribute equally? For example, I can’t imagine Wittenberg is contributing the same amount of money as OSU, a university of 60,000+ students. Iif they aren’t contributing the same amount of money, then it’s possible the P5 is better off because they aren’t helping support the smaller schools and money from media contracts, playoffs, tournaments merchandise, etc. is divided among fewer schools. I think the way the P5 ultimately breaks off is a TV network approaches some individual who is not currently a coach or administrator but is highly respected in the NCAA and College football in general. Someone who would become the commissioner of the new league and communicate with the big time programs and league commissioners to sell them on the idea. Then for the most part the network winds up paying for the league through streaming and televising games. Basically you get someone like Peyton Manning, Urban Meyer, Desmond Howard, or whoever to be the commissioner and then try organizing from there. Who knows if that’s how it happens, but it seems to make sense to me. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,780 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/6/2020 7:59:55 AM  You miss my point, they get those services for free today off the subsidies of 1200 other schools. These services would come directly from their revenue on their own. But again, the commission report was for FBS and not the P5 Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,158 Status: Online     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/6/2020 12:06:52 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: You miss my point, they get those services for free today off the subsidies of 1200 other schools. These services would come directly from their revenue on their own. But again, the commission report was for FBS and not the P5 Please stop confusing them with the facts. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/6/2020 2:31:43 PM  It doesn't change much as far as what's on the court. The only question is the way the rules are going whether we become farm teams for the big boys. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,461 Status: Online     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/8/2020 9:24:05 AM  Club Hyatt wrote: Does anyone talk about LaSalle basketball because they are in the A10? Then I think its how competitive that conference is nationally. Playing in Division 1 with the P5 makes cracking into the basketball or football Top 25 very difficult. It would be difficult enough with the resource disparity but they also stack the schedule with cupcakes at home which is acceptable by the polls since they already play the P5 competition in conference. The answer to your first question is unquestionably no. Nobody cares about LaSalle basketball just because they're in the A10. However, I don't think you should discount how much more clear being in the A10 makes LaSalle's path to relevancy. All you've got to do is win games and you'll be relevant. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,296 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/8/2020 10:47:56 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: You miss my point, they get those services for free today off the subsidies of 1200 other schools. These services would come directly from their revenue on their own. But again, the commission report was for FBS and not the P5 You're right, but Huggins has been arguing for a "P" conference tourney separate from the so-called mid- and small-majors for years. It doesn't seem to be getting any traction, though. Mid- and small-major champs pull enough upsets to make March Madness interesting. But a team that finishes in the bottom half of even a "P" conference really has no business playing for a national championship. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: How far behind will basketball be once the P5 splits out?    Posted: 12/8/2020 1:17:33 PM  Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: Does anyone talk about LaSalle basketball because they are in the A10? Then I think its how competitive that conference is nationally. Playing in Division 1 with the P5 makes cracking into the basketball or football Top 25 very difficult. It would be difficult enough with the resource disparity but they also stack the schedule with cupcakes at home which is acceptable by the polls since they already play the P5 competition in conference. The answer to your first question is unquestionably no. Nobody cares about LaSalle basketball just because they're in the A10. However, I don't think you should discount how much more clear being in the A10 makes LaSalle's path to relevancy. All you've got to do is win games and you'll be relevant. A-10 sets up their schedule so only the top teams play each other home and home every year. LaSalle then perpetually ends up in the second divisions unless a miracle year. 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