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Author Message FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 378 Status: Offline     In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 1:45:24 AM  Just saw Athlon and Lindy's hoop mags today. They both picked us sixth in the MAC East, dead last in the division, probably because there are only six teams in competition. Now I don't bet. But I'm very confident we won't come anywhere near finishing at the bottom of the division. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,072 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 9:12:29 AM  I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 378 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 10:14:17 AM  Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Last Edited: 9/12/2019 10:15:47 AM by FlashGary Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,072 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 11:31:17 AM  FlashGary wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Danny hit the ground running his first year too with MAC level players - Devereaux, Nate Cole, Steve Becvar and Sean Carlson all of whom played as freshmen. His second class had Vic Alexander, Eddie HIcks and Rick Scarberry who also played as freshmen. Back to Top cbus cat fan General User Member Since: 12/2/2011 Post Count: 1,169 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 3:30:47 PM  Flash Gary thanks for letting us know. I hadn't yet stopped by the newsstand to see the predictions for 2019-20. Alan, you're right it is going to be hard to top Coach Nee's first two recruiting classes. However if I am Coach Boals, I got to be licking my chops thinking if this is how the rest of the MAC thinks, I got them right where I want them. There will be a lot of ups and downs, but I can't see us finishing in the basement. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,375 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 4:50:06 PM  Coming off a losing record, losing our two best players to transfer and a whole new coaching staff. Seems like common sense. Does anyone have a good reason we should be picked higher? Not saying we can't finish higher, but why on earth would be be picked higher? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,159 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 9:18:35 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Coming off a losing record, losing our two best players to transfer and a whole new coaching staff. Seems like common sense. Does anyone have a good reason we should be picked higher? Not saying we can't finish higher, but why on earth would be be picked higher? TWO best players? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top MonroeClassmate General User Member Since: 8/31/2010 Post Count: 2,038 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 10:28:42 PM  Alan Swank wrote: FlashGary wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Danny hit the ground running his first year too with MAC level players - Devereaux, Nate Cole, Steve Becvar and Sean Carlson all of whom played as freshmen. His second class had Vic Alexander, Eddie HIcks and Rick Scarberry who also played as freshmen. Who recruited Paul Baron? Back to Top Buck.Cat General User Member Since: 12/21/2017 Post Count: 365 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 10:32:41 PM  Those predictions are probably not far off considering the rebuild being undertaken by Boals. Need big years from the incoming newcomers. Back to Top shabamon General User Member Since: 11/17/2006 Location: Cincinnati Post Count: 6,419 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 10:56:31 PM  I would have picked us 5th. I don't think Miami will be good at all. Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 378 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/12/2019 11:24:50 PM  Alan Swank wrote: FlashGary wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Danny hit the ground running his first year too with MAC level players - Devereaux, Nate Cole, Steve Becvar and Sean Carlson all of whom played as freshmen. His second class had Vic Alexander, Eddie HIcks and Rick Scarberry who also played as freshmen. Thanks for the refresher course, Alan! Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,181 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 6:28:00 AM  Baron was a Nee recruit. Back to Top Bobcat1998 General User Member Since: 11/7/2012 Post Count: 2,302 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 1:37:05 PM  FlashGary wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Remember also that Murrell played meaningful minutes last year and Ogbanda has ACC experience (although limited). If two of these freshmen guards come to play right away (and who says all 4 won't) then we will certainly be better than we have been the past few years. I like the chip on the shoulder team. I don't know if I ever saw OUr guys play with a chip on their shoulder under Saul. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,340 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 2:20:05 PM  Bobcat1998 wrote: Remember also that Murrell played meaningful minutes last year and Ogbanda has ACC experience (although limited). If two of these freshmen guards come to play right away (and who says all 4 won't) then we will certainly be better than we have been the past few years. I like the chip on the shoulder team. I don't know if I ever saw OUr guys play with a chip on their shoulder under Saul. How about the year Big Tone went down, and they still ended up as the two seed in Cleveland? I'd say there was quite a chip throughout February & March that year. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,861 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 4:14:59 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: Coming off a losing record, losing our two best players to transfer and a whole new coaching staff. Seems like common sense. Does anyone have a good reason we should be picked higher? Not saying we can't finish higher, but why on earth would be be picked higher? TWO best players? Yeah...Maybe 2 highest scorers...but no, not 2 best players. Definitely best player though. I'll give you that. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 6:07:27 PM  Remember that Lindy's and Athlon are the two bottom of the barrel preseason publications, though I wouldn't be surprised to see others pick Ohio 6th as well. Back to Top FlashGary General User Member Since: 6/18/2013 Location: Long Island, NY Post Count: 378 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/13/2019 10:20:16 PM  Alan Swank wrote: FlashGary wrote: Alan Swank wrote: I hope not but this is the biggest reconstruction of a program we've had since Danny Nee took over back in the early 80s. I know what you mean, Alan. Danny had to pretty much start from scratch. So did Larry Hunter. There are two major differences to me in this situation, though. First, Jeff Boals fortunately doesn't have to start out with a barren cupboard. Ben Vander Plas and Jason Preston can play. Don't know if Jordan Dartis will be able to last physically, but if he can, we know he's an all-MAC talent. I had several conversations with former coach Saul Phillips pertaining to Nate Springs. Saul was well aware that Nate would need some time to get stronger and hone his skills when he recruited him. But he was really high on Nate's upside and really believed he could become an impact player down the line. I always agreed with that assessment. Secondly, it took Nee and Hunter a few recruiting classes to get MAC-level players on the roster. Coach Boals hit the ground running in this regard. It's the factor I'm counting on that could make us competitive in the conference in a shorter than expected period of time. Danny hit the ground running his first year too with MAC level players - Devereaux, Nate Cole, Steve Becvar and Sean Carlson all of whom played as freshmen. His second class had Vic Alexander, Eddie HIcks and Rick Scarberry who also played as freshmen. I do believe it took Danny's first class a few seasons to get it going. I recall him saying, in retrospect, he wishes he had redshirted Devereaux his freshman year. I do believe that several of Jeff's recruits are ready to hit the ground running--such as Marvin Price, Lunden McDay and Ben Roderick. They probably will have a greater impact this season than Danny's freshmen class did. Last Edited: 9/13/2019 10:23:40 PM by FlashGary Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/14/2019 11:50:30 AM  FlashGary wrote: I do believe it took Danny's first class a few seasons to get it going. I recall him saying, in retrospect, he wishes he had redshirted Devereaux his freshman year. I do believe that several of Jeff's recruits are ready to hit the ground running--such as Marvin Price, Lunden McDay and Ben Roderick. They probably will have a greater impact this season than Danny's freshmen class did. It did take a couple of years. In fact, I think they had a worse record his first year than they did Dale Bandy's last. Then year two Tim Woodson left in December (I think). Year 3 was the big leap forward. Back to Top Obc2 General User Member Since: 11/8/2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 596 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/14/2019 12:42:00 PM  I really have no idea where this team will finish but I'll be watching as often as I can. I hate to say I won't miss TK skill set but I wish him well. The incoming newbies are intriguing. My dream is seeing increased athleticism and FT shooting %. Less TO's, bad shots. Back to Top OUVan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Post Count: 5,580 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/16/2019 11:14:19 AM  FlashGary wrote: Just saw Athlon and Lindy's hoop mags today. They both picked us sixth in the MAC East, dead last in the division, probably because there are only six teams in competition. Now I don't bet. But I'm very confident we won't come anywhere near finishing at the bottom of the division. We did finish 6th last year and that may have been only because there were only 6 teams. New coach, new players. Not sure where you expected the respect to come from. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,532 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/16/2019 3:02:31 PM  I'd rather have the respect after the season than before it. Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,089 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/17/2019 7:51:20 AM  100%Cat wrote: I'd rather have the respect after the season than before it. 💯 "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top brucecuth General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Post Count: 1,809 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/17/2019 3:59:22 PM  Jeff McKinney wrote: Remember that Lindy's and Athlon are the two bottom of the barrel preseason publications, though I wouldn't be surprised to see others pick Ohio 6th as well. Street and Smith's isn't any better. BobcatAttack fave Elton Alexander did the MAC preview, picking us last in the division. When discussing newcomers didn't even mention that we have the Ohio Gatorade Player of the Year, Mr. Roderick. Sheesh! The only preseason publication worth its salt is Blue Ribbon Basketball Yearbook. Staff takes time to interview the head coach or assistant at EVERY D-1 program. Hundreds of pages of small print. No pictures, no ads, just tons of info. You can only buy it online. https://blueribbonyearbook.com / Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,340 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/17/2019 4:44:14 PM  brucecuth wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: Remember that Lindy's and Athlon are the two bottom of the barrel preseason publications, though I wouldn't be surprised to see others pick Ohio 6th as well. Street and Smith's isn't any better. BobcatAttack fave Elton Alexander did the MAC preview, picking us last in the division. When discussing newcomers didn't even mention that we have the Ohio Gatorade Player of the Year, Mr. Roderick. Sheesh! The only preseason publication worth its salt is Blue Ribbon Basketball Yearbook. Staff takes time to interview the head coach or assistant at EVERY D-1 program. Hundreds of pages of small print. No pictures, no ads, just tons of info. You can only buy it online. https://blueribbonyearbook.com / While I haven't tried the other publications in years, thanks to folks on here, I've used Blue Ribbon for a few years in a row. A thorough book for college hoops that I think is worth every penny. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: In the tradition of comedian Rodney Dangerfield, "No respect!"    Posted: 9/17/2019 6:43:27 PM  brucecuth wrote: Jeff McKinney wrote: Remember that Lindy's and Athlon are the two bottom of the barrel preseason publications, though I wouldn't be surprised to see others pick Ohio 6th as well. Street and Smith's isn't any better. BobcatAttack fave Elton Alexander did the MAC preview, picking us last in the division. When discussing newcomers didn't even mention that we have the Ohio Gatorade Player of the Year, Mr. Roderick. Sheesh! The only preseason publication worth its salt is Blue Ribbon Basketball Yearbook. Staff takes time to interview the head coach or assistant at EVERY D-1 program. Hundreds of pages of small print. No pictures, no ads, just tons of info. You can only buy it online. https://blueribbonyearbook.com / Elton is very uneven in his work on the MAC in Street and Smith's. Last year, he was high on VanderPlas as a newcomer and he ended up being freshman of the year. But sometimes he's guilty of gaffes like overlooking the Gatorade Player of the Year. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 38 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Basketball' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 179 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 175 Guests 4 Registered Users:   Ted Thompson, Cats5, BobcatJay, Victory There are no other users looking at this page.

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