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Buck.Cat
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  Message Not Read  Now The Real Work Begins - Recruiting
   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:04:05 PM 
Specifically, the recruitment of Division 1 basketball players. Like many, I think this is a good hire. This is a critical period of time as Boals and his staff need to recruit hard for the 2019-20 season for high school seniors and grad transfers. I think that means landing at least 4 new players.

I think first priority is locking down McDay. I will give Saul credit in getting Lunden McDay to commit. I think his strength as a point guard and leader is evidenced by getting his team to the state championship weekend. Maintaining his commitment would be a good start to Boals' tenure.

Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.

Since a new coach is now in place, I think Boals needs to continue to recruit Ben Roderick. If Roderick does not end up at Ohio State, then Boals needs to go head to head with Xavier for him. Even if we do not get his commitment, it will at least we can begin to repair our reputation with the stronger recruits in the region.

Outside of those initial moves, Boals needs to push for the remaining unsigned high profile high school players. He then needs to look at grad transfers and JUCO transfers that positively impact the team and not just filling a scholarship. Boals knows the region and has an established history with his initial jobs in the MAC and later at Ohio State.

I feel very optimistic about the direction of the program. It will take a season or two to get us out of the basement of the MAC but I think Boals can get the program back to a high level that we saw earlier this decade.
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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Now The Real Work Begins - Recruiting
   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:17:50 PM 
Buck.Cat wrote:
Specifically, the recruitment of Division 1 basketball players. Like many, I think this is a good hire. This is a critical period of time as Boals and his staff need to recruit hard for the 2019-20 season for high school seniors and grad transfers. I think that means landing at least 4 new players.

I think first priority is locking down McDay. I will give Saul credit in getting Lunden McDay to commit. I think his strength as a point guard and leader is evidenced by getting his team to the state championship weekend. Maintaining his commitment would be a good start to Boals' tenure.

Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.

Since a new coach is now in place, I think Boals needs to continue to recruit Ben Roderick. If Roderick does not end up at Ohio State, then Boals needs to go head to head with Xavier for him. Even if we do not get his commitment, it will at least we can begin to repair our reputation with the stronger recruits in the region.

Outside of those initial moves, Boals needs to push for the remaining unsigned high profile high school players. He then needs to look at grad transfers and JUCO transfers that positively impact the team and not just filling a scholarship. Boals knows the region and has an established history with his initial jobs in the MAC and later at Ohio State.

I feel very optimistic about the direction of the program. It will take a season or two to get us out of the basement of the MAC but I think Boals can get the program back to a high level that we saw earlier this decade.


You may not like it, but Stoney Brook has interest in 3 of Sauls 5 players of interest for 2020 per Teds BA recruiting page.
I’m not real big on pulling a schollie after a guy is signed. But that’s just me I guess.
Retention of the players currently on scholarship is very important. We should see some changes, I just hold my breath on who stays and who leaves.

Last Edited: 3/17/2019 7:20:20 PM by colobobcat66
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:19:11 PM 
Buck.Cat wrote:
Specifically, the recruitment of Division 1 basketball players. Like many, I think this is a good hire. This is a critical period of time as Boals and his staff need to recruit hard for the 2019-20 season for high school seniors and grad transfers. I think that means landing at least 4 new players.

I think first priority is locking down McDay. I will give Saul credit in getting Lunden McDay to commit. I think his strength as a point guard and leader is evidenced by getting his team to the state championship weekend. Maintaining his commitment would be a good start to Boals' tenure.

Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.

Since a new coach is now in place, I think Boals needs to continue to recruit Ben Roderick. If Roderick does not end up at Ohio State, then Boals needs to go head to head with Xavier for him. Even if we do not get his commitment, it will at least we can begin to repair our reputation with the stronger recruits in the region.

Outside of those initial moves, Boals needs to push for the remaining unsigned high profile high school players. He then needs to look at grad transfers and JUCO transfers that positively impact the team and not just filling a scholarship. Boals knows the region and has an established history with his initial jobs in the MAC and later at Ohio State.

I feel very optimistic about the direction of the program. It will take a season or two to get us out of the basement of the MAC but I think Boals can get the program back to a high level that we saw earlier this decade.



Really good take. Tough one with Wight situation. Whatever Boals decides there I trust him. Now is not the time to be Mr. Nice Guy. If he feels he's a player and won't transfer to Ohleone Community College in a year...fine. If not, then you have to do what you have to do.

#BleedGreen #TrentIsGOAT

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   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:28:56 PM 
Since Wright has signed his letter of intent, I am not sure if you can just say you don't have a scholarship. You may be able to discourage him and not renew after one year, but I think he is a Bobcat if he wants to be one.
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The Better Ohio Bobcat
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:56:57 PM 
What we really need is a good big to fill Doug’s spot. If not we will get killed in the paint.

Last Edited: 3/17/2019 7:58:01 PM by The Better Ohio Bobcat
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cc-cat
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 7:58:17 PM 
the first recruitment responsibility is to lock down those on the current roster that we need to stick at Ohio. i’m sure that has already started.
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longtiimelurker
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 8:03:34 PM 
You don't think the "real work" is the Ozone?? Recruiting is just part of the job.
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 8:07:29 PM 
I would be ok with keeping 5-6 of the current players..only losing the ones who don’t belong in D1.

Last Edited: 3/18/2019 8:07:18 AM by Bobcat-7.0
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 8:54:51 PM 
I ain't judging recruiting until 2021 when he has over a year to build back rapports. Where Boals has a chance (and where I ironically ripped him at OSU for it) is his connections with AAU's and power programs in-state. One of his last years consisted of landing David Bell out of Garfield Heights and AJ Harris out of Dunbar for OSU. Thought those were dud recruits initially (they were) but the fact he has tie-in's with Pullen at Dunbar and Sonny Johnson up in NE Ohio are going to be huge factors in 2021. We'll see what that looks like moving forward, but 2021 is the first class I'll judge on solely because it takes time to establish rapports with kids along with their handlers (whether it's coaches, parents, etc., and no was not going for an FBI reference here).

That said, landing Roderick would be a big signal for our recruiting if we can get him. As I mentioned on his recruiting page, not an OSU recruit last year prior to his injury but is someone that would thrive at the MAC level and is the type of kid that is a steal at this level. Remains to be seen if he comes but I'm not putting my eggs in that basket, especially since I follow OSU's recruiting sites with dialed-in individuals and they know they aren't gonna let that one slip for free.
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   Posted: 3/17/2019 11:37:55 PM 
Buck.Cat wrote:
Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.


Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.

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   Posted: 3/18/2019 6:23:33 AM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Buck.Cat wrote:
Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.


Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.


Buck.cat, that was hilarious. We don’t have to renew his scholarship after next year and Wight could back out, but he would accept the scholarship if we named Daffy Duck as our next coach, we are his only D1 offer. If he really broke his collarbone and requested a release, he would maybe land a D 3 grant, let’s hope that he heals and improves dramatically. Boals will not renew his scholliy if he does not belong because he wants to win and he needs to bring in people that will help us win.

Last Edited: 3/31/2019 5:02:29 PM by allen

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   Posted: 3/18/2019 7:11:23 AM 
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I ain't judging recruiting until 2021 when he has over a year to build back rapports. Where Boals has a chance (and where I ironically ripped him at OSU for it) is his connections with AAU's and power programs in-state. One of his last years consisted of landing David Bell out of Garfield Heights and AJ Harris out of Dunbar for OSU. Thought those were dud recruits initially (they were) but the fact he has tie-in's with Pullen at Dunbar and Sonny Johnson up in NE Ohio are going to be huge factors in 2021. We'll see what that looks like moving forward, but 2021 is the first class I'll judge on solely because it takes time to establish rapports with kids along with their handlers (whether it's coaches, parents, etc., and no was not going for an FBI reference here).

That said, landing Roderick would be a big signal for our recruiting if we can get him. As I mentioned on his recruiting page, not an OSU recruit last year prior to his injury but is someone that would thrive at the MAC level and is the type of kid that is a steal at this level. Remains to be seen if he comes but I'm not putting my eggs in that basket, especially since I follow OSU's recruiting sites with dialed-in individuals and they know they aren't gonna let that one slip for free.


A J Harris might have been a "dud" at OSU, but not now. Starting pg on a 30-4 New Mexico St. team that's headed to the NCAA tourney, playing more mins than anyone else on team. Give me some duds like that!
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   Posted: 3/19/2019 5:49:50 PM 
I believe boals can get things done. he was the glue that held the team together when he played here. in that he may have been more of an asset than Gary Trent. first priority should be to check the espn 100 list to see what players have not signed and committed yet. then he needs to get after some of those guys. also important that he attend the 1st mcdonalds all maerican he can and get his presense and our school known. doing thiese things cwill show he has the teeth needed to elevate this program to the next level. next is a super tough non conference schedule filled with teams like duke Virginia Gonzaga Michigan state and Kentucky to name a few. he can then seek advice from those well established coaches on how to utilize his players and get them in better physical condition.
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   Posted: 3/19/2019 8:33:08 PM 
Andrew Ruck wrote:

Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.


Your judgment is obviously clouded by your relationship with the family. Between this thread and the recruiting page thread, you are having difficulty controlling your emotions for a teenager.
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   Posted: 3/19/2019 9:07:39 PM 
allen wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:
Buck.Cat wrote:
Boals next move is talking to Ben Wight and his family to let them know that he will not be a Bobcat. While Saul did well with getting McDay, Wight is another example of a recruit that did not warrant a Division 1 offer. Ashland University is slightly shorter drive from Worthington compared to Athens so his family will still have a chance to watch him play college basketball. For the better of the program, it just won't be at OU.


Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.


Buck.cat, that was hilarious. We don’t have to renew his scholarship after next year and Wight could back out, but he would accept the scholarship if we named Daffy Duck as our next coach, we are his only D1 offer. If he really broke his collarbone and requested a release, he would maybe land a D 3 grant, let’s hope that he heals and improves dramatically. Boals will not renew his schollies if he does not belong, because he wants to win and he needs to bring in people that will help us win.


How exactly was it "hilarious"?
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   Posted: 3/19/2019 11:35:13 PM 
brucecuth wrote:
Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:
I ain't judging recruiting until 2021 when he has over a year to build back rapports. Where Boals has a chance (and where I ironically ripped him at OSU for it) is his connections with AAU's and power programs in-state. One of his last years consisted of landing David Bell out of Garfield Heights and AJ Harris out of Dunbar for OSU. Thought those were dud recruits initially (they were) but the fact he has tie-in's with Pullen at Dunbar and Sonny Johnson up in NE Ohio are going to be huge factors in 2021. We'll see what that looks like moving forward, but 2021 is the first class I'll judge on solely because it takes time to establish rapports with kids along with their handlers (whether it's coaches, parents, etc., and no was not going for an FBI reference here).

That said, landing Roderick would be a big signal for our recruiting if we can get him. As I mentioned on his recruiting page, not an OSU recruit last year prior to his injury but is someone that would thrive at the MAC level and is the type of kid that is a steal at this level. Remains to be seen if he comes but I'm not putting my eggs in that basket, especially since I follow OSU's recruiting sites with dialed-in individuals and they know they aren't gonna let that one slip for free.


A J Harris might have been a "dud" at OSU, but not now. Starting pg on a 30-4 New Mexico St. team that's headed to the NCAA tourney, playing more mins than anyone else on team. Give me some duds like that!


Agree what he has done for NMSU has been incredible. However, for what OSU needed to compete in the Big Ten, it didn't make sense. So yes, he's proving to be a mid-major asset but again the Big Ten abilities did not pan out. Thank you for confirming that his abilities to judge Big Ten kids was not spot on in the tail end of the Thad Matta era.

Last Edited: 3/19/2019 11:38:29 PM by Buckeye to Bobcat
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   Posted: 3/20/2019 4:24:53 PM 
Buck.Cat wrote:
Andrew Ruck wrote:

Maybe we should've just hired you since you know sooo much. Boals will not do this. Nor could he. Nor should he.


Your judgment is obviously clouded by your relationship with the family. Between this thread and the recruiting page thread, you are having difficulty controlling your emotions for a teenager.


Not really, there is no way I would ever say this approach you propose is acceptable. Also I have no direct relationship with the family whatsoever.

Last Edited: 3/20/2019 4:27:29 PM by Andrew Ruck

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   Posted: 3/29/2019 2:26:49 PM 
Well, step 2 got done before step 1 but we’ll see which players get signed now.
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   Posted: 3/29/2019 3:25:08 PM 
This thread is awesome.

"This can't happen. It won't happen. IT SHAN'T HAPPEN! The honor code of division I college athletics would never let it happen!"

"Dude, it just happened."
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   Posted: 4/1/2019 10:08:22 AM 
So how soon can we expect to start seeing some signings? Is the signing period "closed" right now? I'm not getting impatient, I just want to see some new players inked yesterday.
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   Posted: 4/1/2019 10:15:40 AM 
100%Cat wrote:
So how soon can we expect to start seeing some signings? Is the signing period "closed" right now? I'm not getting impatient, I just want to see some new players inked yesterday.


NLI signing day is April 17
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   Posted: 4/1/2019 10:49:34 AM 
IceCat76 wrote:
100%Cat wrote:
So how soon can we expect to start seeing some signings? Is the signing period "closed" right now? I'm not getting impatient, I just want to see some new players inked yesterday.


NLI signing day is April 17


Thanks!
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   Posted: 4/1/2019 12:45:29 PM 
I posted this on the recruiting site as well....

If you think the roster SP inherited was a tough first year, what do you call potentially inheriting Murrell, Cowart, Preston, Springs, McMurray and Vander Plas. I'd assume that if the season began tomorrow, that's your starting 5 less the one signed freshman? What record would you give this squad?

Speaking of the real work of recruiting needing to start, start fast and being vital---huge task it appears!
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Chicken George wrote:
I posted this on the recruiting site as well....

If you think the roster SP inherited was a tough first year, what do you call potentially inheriting Murrell, Cowart, Preston, Springs, McMurray and Vander Plas. I'd assume that if the season began tomorrow, that's your starting 5 less the one signed freshman? What record would you give this squad?

Speaking of the real work of recruiting needing to start, start fast and being vital---huge task it appears!


Why are you assuming that's what the starting five would be (it's actually 6)? Just because they have experience? We have no idea what this roster is going to be by tip-off.
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   Posted: 4/1/2019 1:02:32 PM 
Chicken George wrote:
I posted this on the recruiting site as well....

If you think the roster SP inherited was a tough first year, what do you call potentially inheriting Murrell, Cowart, Preston, Springs, McMurray and Vander Plas. I'd assume that if the season began tomorrow, that's your starting 5 less the one signed freshman? What record would you give this squad?

Speaking of the real work of recruiting needing to start, start fast and being vital---huge task it appears!


Do you actually think Boals - a guy who coached at tOSU for 7 years - is going to have a couple of those guys be anything above scout team? The way some of the current roster was slouching around when Boals spoke to them on day one in that video? He should have cut a couple of them and taken their schollies on the spot.

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