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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/10/2020 10:59:24 AM 
Just read this. Wonder if we'll do the same.

https://www.10tv.com/article/ohio-state-canceling-person-...
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/10/2020 11:22:53 AM 
There's an interesting on going conversation about this in the basketball quarter finals thread.
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   Posted: 3/10/2020 1:09:41 PM 
My daughter is part of a group text with her Ohio University nursing instructor. Rumors are flying and there are discussions going on today about how to proceed after spring break.
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/10/2020 2:02:51 PM 
I’m sure all of these universities that are going online-only for the last portion of their academic year are just tripping over themselves to refund pre-paid residence hall and dining hall fees...

(Sarcasm, in case it wasn’t clear)
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BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 3/11/2020 1:28:10 AM 
mf279801 wrote:
I’m sure all of these universities that are going online-only for the last portion of their academic year are just tripping over themselves to refund pre-paid residence hall and dining hall fees...

(Sarcasm, in case it wasn’t clear)


Residence halls and dining plans are open, everything open, just not allowed near a person to person classroom
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 3:35:44 PM 
Wonder what if any the long term implication of these university shut downs will be. There will be example that online classes have merit.

Will mom and dad wonder if sending a kid to a university where you can do much of your school work on line. Why send them and your $$$ to a place where they could get quarantined, where they are in large groups when they can stay close to home or in their home and get an equivalent education. I mean, if you are going online, why not follow OSU and do all your stuff online (less labs) and isn't it safer for jr to stay at home or commute? Let some media pick the finest profs in the world and simply take online classes from these profs and their staffs.

How much of a drop in enrollment will it take for Ohio MAC schools to go out of business?
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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 4:33:52 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Wonder what if any the long term implication of these university shut downs will be. There will be example that online classes have merit.

Will mom and dad wonder if sending a kid to a university where you can do much of your school work on line. Why send them and your $$$ to a place where they could get quarantined, where they are in large groups when they can stay close to home or in their home and get an equivalent education. I mean, if you are going online, why not follow OSU and do all your stuff online (less labs) and isn't it safer for jr to stay at home or commute? Let some media pick the finest profs in the world and simply take online classes from these profs and their staffs.

How much of a drop in enrollment will it take for Ohio MAC schools to go out of business?



Monroe, I feel the same level of concern/fear on a somewhat different scale. At my school, we are planning for e-learning days if the students are kept out of school for an extended period due to quarantine procedures. This is for a K-4 school. There is no substitute for a professional educator. A computer lesson and activity cannot replace the teacher. However, that is the message we seem to be sending, saying that learning from home is as good as learning at school. I hate the message this sends. It de-values what we are offering our students.

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 4:44:00 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Wonder what if any the long term implication of these university shut downs will be. There will be example that online classes have merit.

Will mom and dad wonder if sending a kid to a university where you can do much of your school work on line. Why send them and your $$$ to a place where they could get quarantined, where they are in large groups when they can stay close to home or in their home and get an equivalent education. I mean, if you are going online, why not follow OSU and do all your stuff online (less labs) and isn't it safer for jr to stay at home or commute? Let some media pick the finest profs in the world and simply take online classes from these profs and their staffs.

How much of a drop in enrollment will it take for Ohio MAC schools to go out of business?



Monroe, I feel the same level of concern/fear on a somewhat different scale. At my school, we are planning for e-learning days if the students are kept out of school for an extended period due to quarantine procedures. This is for a K-4 school. There is no substitute for a professional educator. A computer lesson and activity cannot replace the teacher. However, that is the message we seem to be sending, saying that learning from home is as good as learning at school. I hate the message this sends. It de-values what we are offering our students.



Not to mention how it increases the disparity of opportunities between the haves and the have nots. We still have a significant number of people in Athens County without broadband access.

Last Edited: 3/11/2020 4:44:23 PM by Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 6:52:13 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Wonder what if any the long term implication of these university shut downs will be. There will be example that online classes have merit.

Will mom and dad wonder if sending a kid to a university where you can do much of your school work on line. Why send them and your $$$ to a place where they could get quarantined, where they are in large groups when they can stay close to home or in their home and get an equivalent education. I mean, if you are going online, why not follow OSU and do all your stuff online (less labs) and isn't it safer for jr to stay at home or commute? Let some media pick the finest profs in the world and simply take online classes from these profs and their staffs.

How much of a drop in enrollment will it take for Ohio MAC schools to go out of business?



Monroe, I feel the same level of concern/fear on a somewhat different scale. At my school, we are planning for e-learning days if the students are kept out of school for an extended period due to quarantine procedures. This is for a K-4 school. There is no substitute for a professional educator. A computer lesson and activity cannot replace the teacher. However, that is the message we seem to be sending, saying that learning from home is as good as learning at school. I hate the message this sends. It de-values what we are offering our students.



I think the message is to be safe and make the best of it you can. Who is arguing online is better than in person?

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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 7:21:31 PM 
Not better, but comparable. That's my concern. I agree in being safe, think it's a great approach. But I don't like the thought that e-learning can take the place and count as attendance days. I believe these universities are also approaching it as comparable, as I doubt they are offering any discounts for the fact that classes will now be on-line rather than face-to-face.
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JSF
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 8:08:31 PM 
Yeah, I get you. But the only alternative I see is to punt. 50% is better than 0% and the difference can be made up later.

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Alan Swank
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/11/2020 9:25:21 PM 
So I looked around for an example of an outstanding online class/module/lesson. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I couldn't find anything worthwhile. If anyone has a link to one, I'd love to see it. Thanks.
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yamaha45701
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/12/2020 12:14:43 AM 
https://community.brightspace.com/s / I am a certified online instructor with Sinclair Community College. Brightspace is a online site that whose purpose is to facilitate online courses with instructors and administrators having access to a wide range of resources. It has a forum where one can go and read and participate in the topic threads being discussed. Numerous universities and colleges are linked through there. Hope this helps answer your request.
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/12/2020 7:08:56 AM 
As I posted,on-line classes may work for certain subjects,like Sociology.

But what about classes with labs ?

Last night my wife and I were talking about this at dinner with some friends.

A few other "glitches" in virtual learning came up:

1.Music performance classes:
(individual,group,conducting)

2.Art classes

3.Dance Classes

4.Group Design Projects
(At FDU all Senior Engineering students have
to do a design project,like a steel frame building)

Last Edited: 3/12/2020 7:27:41 AM by rpbobcat
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Robert Fox
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/12/2020 8:04:07 AM 
rpbobcat wrote:
Last night my wife and I were talking about this at dinner with some friends.


I hope you were all wearing your hazmat suits.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 3/12/2020 8:36:54 AM 
yamaha45701 wrote:
https://community.brightspace.com/s / I am a certified online instructor with Sinclair Community College. Brightspace is a online site that whose purpose is to facilitate online courses with instructors and administrators having access to a wide range of resources. It has a forum where one can go and read and participate in the topic threads being discussed. Numerous universities and colleges are linked through there. Hope this helps answer your request.


Can you provide a link to actual online class?
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SVAC83
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   Posted: 3/12/2020 2:57:41 PM 
This is what i will say i am sort of a life long learner. I joined the navy out of high school. I have taking classes on a ship where we had a college professor for 6 months. I took classes on base through St. leo college, and southern illinois university, i have taken in person classes at. Old dominion, norfolk state, william and mary, Rio grande and Ohio university.

I have also taken online classes through ohio state, rio grande and Penn state university. Some of the online classes were easy and a joke. But i also have had several in person classes over the years that were very easy.

The hardest classes i have ever taken have been online. in the fall semester i took a online class that we had a lot of group projects to work on. I would say most good online classes require you to put in the same amount of time if not more time then most in person classes that i had.

I also must say in most situations my instructors seemed to have much more time for me online then in person. I have even had the same instructor for a online class then for a in person class. I thought his online class was much harder. Definitely a lot more work that had to be done.
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   Posted: 3/12/2020 9:42:08 PM 
Each teacher would do their own class. Because I teach in a restricted institution where there is no internet access for the students, I do not have one to show you. But if I took my syllabus for Greenhouse Management, it would break down like this: Each chapter would have a 3 to 4 page summary of the details such as, for instance, greenhouse heating. I would have the students answer the questions for that chapter. I would also post videos, online articles, and youtube videos (watch oranges in the snow to give you an idea of what I might have a student watch). Then an overall research paper using the book and industry source magazines. Lot of work but no different than what I assign now (my guys complain....lol....and I do not care....lol). Plus they would be able to post questions, both for private and group viewing. Tests online, both midterm and final and whatever quizzes I pull out of thin air to spice things up. Hope this helps.
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Alan Swank
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   Posted: 3/13/2020 11:53:23 AM 
This is where I think online classes lack substance:

"Plus they would be able to post questions, both for private and group viewing."

As we all know, tone, inflection and meaning are often lost in typing and reading typed material plus a conversation is only as good as the timely participation of the members of the conversation. I taught history, sociology, consumer economics, and contemporary world problems. The last three were heavily dependent upon lively student discussions.
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   Posted: 3/13/2020 4:59:31 PM 
Alan Swank wrote:
This is where I think online classes lack substance:

"Plus they would be able to post questions, both for private and group viewing."

As we all know, tone, inflection and meaning are often lost in typing and reading typed material plus a conversation is only as good as the timely participation of the members of the conversation. I taught history, sociology, consumer economics, and contemporary world problems. The last three were heavily dependent upon lively student discussions.


As is the fact that you know questions and answers face-to-face are coming from student. On-line, you have no idea if it is coming from the student or from a 3rd party.
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   Posted: 3/13/2020 8:29:58 PM 
On-line classes I have taken have been online video conferencing through web-ex. Just like being in the classroom, live interaction and you can see your classmates and whoever is talking. Only difference is you can stay in your underwear.
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   Posted: 3/13/2020 9:42:35 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
On-line classes I have taken have been online video conferencing through web-ex. Just like being in the classroom, live interaction and you can see your classmates and whoever is talking. Only difference is you can stay in your underwear.


If there is live interaction and you can see your classmates, I don't want to see you in your underwear!

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   Posted: 3/13/2020 10:17:51 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
On-line classes I have taken have been online video conferencing through web-ex. Just like being in the classroom, live interaction and you can see your classmates and whoever is talking. Only difference is you can stay in your underwear.


Yes, my sister has taught many French classes to the branches (err regional campuses) this way over a number years. In these cases the students were in a classroom on the other campuses, but with today’s technology they could just as well be at home.

Last Edited: 3/13/2020 10:18:54 PM by OhioCatFan

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   Posted: 3/13/2020 11:50:03 PM 
Scott Woods wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
On-line classes I have taken have been online video conferencing through web-ex. Just like being in the classroom, live interaction and you can see your classmates and whoever is talking. Only difference is you can stay in your underwear.


If there is live interaction and you can see your classmates, I don't want to see you in your underwear!


Simple, you just tilt the laptop screen higher and it conceals the bottle of bourbon and the underwear.
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rpbobcat
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  Message Not Read  RE: tosu goes online
   Posted: 3/16/2020 10:25:15 AM 
There's an article in The Post that O.U. will not resume "in person" classes for the rest of Spring semester.

Guess that means "virtual graduation" too.
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