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Topic: We're Number 454

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giacomo
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We're Number 454

Posted: 9/6/2018 4:37:16 PM

Wall Street Journal ranks the top 500 universities in the US. We're number 454.

Buffalo the top MAC school at 120.
Miami is 328.
Toledo is 492.

No other MAC schools listed.

OSU is 94
Alabama is 427, which is surprising.

Last Edited: 9/6/2018 4:37:56 PM by giacomo

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/7/2018 3:26:24 PM

Do you know the parameters they use to rank? Curious to see what's taken into consideration

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/7/2018 10:54:51 PM

giacomo wrote:

Alabama is 427, which is surprising.

Pretty interesting explanation here. Explains why so many schools try to win the football lottery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survi...

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/10/2018 1:39:05 PM

Recovering Journalist wrote:

giacomo wrote:

Alabama is 427, which is surprising.

Pretty interesting explanation here. Explains why so many schools try to win the football lottery.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survi...

That was an interesting read. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised, after all, to see a lot of Fiami propaganda (and none from Ohio) in my son's high school's college advisors' offices here in Michigan.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/10/2018 1:40:44 PM

giacomo wrote:

I wonder how all that looked before the McDavis administration. Might be a good research topic for tonight.

giacomo
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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/10/2018 3:58:06 PM

This is what they measure. Also, it's only the third year of the survey.

By Dave Pettit
Sept. 5, 2018 7:05 p.m. ET
College rankings are one starting point on the way to identify the schools that are the right fit. With this year�s rankings, we�ve added new tools to help you set off on the right course.

The Wall Street Journal/Times Higher Education College Rankings are now in their third year, and their guiding principles remain unchanged: We look at schools the way parents and prospective students do. We consider the factors most important to them.

So we continue to put the greatest emphasis on two crucial factors: the outcomes students can expect from their college education and the resources schools deploy on academics. We also consider the quality of teaching and level of engagement students have with their school, as determined in large part by an extensive student survey. And we look at the diversity of the learning environment.

You can filter the WSJ/THE rankings or customize them to focus on your own priorities. VIEW INTERACTIVE
You can filter the WSJ/THE rankings or customize them to focus on your own priorities.
With that as the starting point, the WSJ/THE college rankings this year have made it easier for parents and students to zoom in on factors they find of greatest interest. A measure has been added that identifies schools that offer the best value. The premise is simple: We take a school�s overall quality score and divide it by the average price paid for tuition, fees, room and board, to see how much quality is purchased for the money spent.

Other ways to slice the data have been added. The rankings start as a single list of nearly 1,000 colleges and universities, which allows for comparisons of all types of schools side-by-side, using the same set of metrics. Starting this year, we�ve included new ways to analyze specific types of institutions, such as liberal-arts schools focused on undergraduate education in the arts and sciences.

JOURNAL REPORT
Read more at WSJ.com/CollegeRankings
MORE IN THE TOP U.S. COLLEGES
Harvard Stays on Top
Which Colleges Give You the Best Value
Northeast Rules Among Liberal-Arts Schools
Also, using the interactive ranking tool on WSJ.com, the rankings can be easily scanned to find schools based on some of the basic factors prospective students take into account in their college search: the schools� undergraduate enrollment size, whether they are located in a big city or a small-town or rural environment, and the areas of study they offer.

We�ve also made it easier to find data on college costs: the average net price parents and students pay for the first year in school and the typical student debt they are left with at graduation, both based on Education Department figures.

The Journal and its partner, Times Higher Education, took a novel approach when they launched these college rankings three years ago, focusing on outcomes, teaching and the learning environment. The goal of the WSJ/THE college rankings is to offer context and insight needed to help make an informed college choice. It�s a decision that often has lifelong implications.

Mr. Pettit is a Wall Street Journal editor in New York. He can be reached at dave.pettit@wsj.com .

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/11/2018 9:56:56 AM

If I'm reading it right, we came in at 373 both in 2016 and 2017. I wonder what caused the massive drop this past year.

https://www.wsj.com/graphics/college-rankings-2016 /

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-stat...

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/11/2018 3:08:22 PM

Did we raise tuition? Maybe the bar/student ratio went down. Miami is lower, as is OSU. Buffalo improved from 147 to 120.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/11/2018 4:01:46 PM

That is absolutely pathetic and disgraceful and you can pin it almost solely on that ridiculous search for a President. 454/500. That's horrific.

Say what you want, but prolific academic institutions don't got hunting for President's @ Texas Tech, New Mexico, and North Dakota. It was sad, pitiful, and humiliating.

The Board of Trustees should be ashamed and frankly so should John Kasich for appointing that band of misfits. Jesus, Bob Glidden they plucked from the music school at Florida State - WTF?

If I run Amazon, I don't go get my next VP of Logistics by plucking a Cashier from Kroger. I either promote from within Amazon (McDavis and his Ohio roots) or I go to another successful company in my space (Vern Alden - Dean of Harvard Business School).

Hell, go get a forward thinking, completely random Harvard, Cornell, or Dartmouth Professor - and make them the President. I can guarantee we'd start ranking much higher than 454.

I mean, this is so laughable yet the cycle continues.....I don't know how those Trustees can sleep at night. I wouldn't entrust them to watch my cat for 5 minutes much less pick a President.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/11/2018 8:56:00 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

Getting a Dean from Harvard or any other Ivy or Ivy level school is simply not in our cards right now. I'm sorry, but they're not taking the job at Ohio. A dean (but not a provost or research VP) at a Big Ten school? Maybe. The fact that none were included might speak to the incompetence of the search firm or it might speak to how Big Ten or their peer deans viewed the Ohio Presidency right now. Rankings are fickle, and it takes years make a significant move up. Ironically, it seems to be much easier to take a big slide down as both we and Miami did in USNWR yesterday. Even OSU for all their money, research and faculty infrastructure and student selectivity can't crack the USNWR top 50. They've been banging their heads against it like a frickin brick wall this entire century and can't crack it.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 8:59:20 AM

OUPride wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

I wasn't thrilled with any of the candidates for O.U.'s Presidency.

With the exception of O.U.'s in house applicant,Nellis was the candidate I felt was the least suited for the job.

I was surprised that the other candidates dropped out before a selection was made.
At that point,I would have started over.

So far,Nellis has lived down to my expectations.

I agree that O.U. may not be able to get a top level dean from an Ivy.
But,using a sports analogy,why not look into a rising star or a high level administrator who'd like to close out his career here.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 9:53:09 AM

Why can't we get a high-level dean? Is it because of prestige or because of pay? If it's prestige, we just need a fantastic recruiter who can sell our school as something that can become a major feather in their cap if they can make us a great institution. They would have almost nowhere to go but up at this point it sounds like. If it's pay, well that's something we would have some control over. I would have liked us to recruit somebody rather than to just see who applies for the position. Seek somebody out that we want. That's how you find difference-makers.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 10:15:27 AM

rpbobcat wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

Candidates "drop out" when they are informed they are not going to get the job. Sort of how I "dropped out" of consideration as prospective love partner to an East Green beauty known as "The Big M" back in 1982-83.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 11:18:39 AM

I think the main focus needs to be on getting us back into the Party School rankings. It's a complete embarrassment for us to be unranked. We're better than that.

I've seen crazier things happen.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 11:54:45 AM

SBH wrote:

If that is in fact why the other candidates dropped out,I really don't understand O.U.'s thought process in hiring Nellis.

The other candidates seemed to be better qualified.
They also seemed to handle their public information sessions,or whatever O.U. called it, better.

His "comb over" alone should have been enough to disqualify him. :-)

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 12:32:44 PM

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Getting a Dean from Harvard or any other Ivy or Ivy level school is simply not in our cards right now.

This is an idiotic statement. There are around 32 Ivy League or "Elite Ivies" each having around 12 colleges. You are telling me, that out of 384 people with INSANELY better credentials than this Nellis character, we couldn't nab 3-5 for an interview to be the President of Ohio University?

If that's the case, everyone involved in this thing is a colossal failure. Students, Alums, Faculty, Trustees, Governor, etc etc. Frankly, I don't think that's the case. I just think your comment was beyond dumb, and I proved it as such.

Texas Tech, smh.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/12/2018 4:05:13 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Getting a Dean from Harvard or any other Ivy or Ivy level school is simply not in our cards right now.

Rankings aren't made overnight. I've been saying for years on here that McDavis was a big talker but was letting the university stagnate. The result of his underperformance you're seeing in these ranking drops (as well as UC now having become more selective than OU). Nellis didn't create this problem; he inherited it. Whether he's the guy to turn things around, time will tell, but if you want to be angry then point that anger where it belongs....at McDavis.

Right now, Ohio is the 4th most selective public college in Ohio and the 3rd best public research university in the state. If you think Ivy League Deans are lining up to take on that challenge, I can't help you. Only you can pull your head out of your ass.

And what makes you think that an Ivy League Dean has the necessary skill set to manage a public university in Ohio, deal with the state legislature and Governor while navigating an over-built public university system which fosters unhealthy competition between its campuses while trying to improve our freshman class profile when there's an 800 pound gorilla up the road that has the ability to stockpile kids with 27 and 28 ACT scores at its branch campuses. And let's not forget that, while Alden may have been a Harvard Dean, he got outright played by Millett and Shriver in the 60s.

Last Edited: 9/13/2018 12:37:36 PM by OUPride

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/13/2018 2:40:36 PM

The Journal's 454 ranking is way, way, way suspect given the long standing US News' ranking system has Ohio at 171.

I assume the list to pay attention is really the US News public list which has Ohio tied at 91.

And then the university leadership and the statehouse needs to figure out if it is supposed to be ranked higher or stay right around where it is and continue to provide opportunity for the types of kids it is enrolling right now.

As for where you should hire presidents from, Sir Charles Ping was Provost at Central Michigan University before transforming Ohio University. Just sayin.

Can somebody hit a pull up jumper for me?.....

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/14/2018 12:36:26 PM

Bobcat Love wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Getting a Dean from Harvard or any other Ivy or Ivy level school is simply not in our cards right now.

Honestly? I don't think we can. Ohio- the University and the state- is a colossal mess. The University faces some silly, self-inflicted wounds. The state seems to have no interest in supporting us.

Right now, it's a dead-end job and you'd have to be desperate or a sucker to take it. I don't know how we could lure anyone we'd want for the gig. The candidate pool reflected that. We're radioactive and people know it. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/14/2018 12:41:53 PM

JSF wrote:

Bobcat Love wrote:

OUPride wrote:

Getting a Dean from Harvard or any other Ivy or Ivy level school is simply not in our cards right now.

I ask this completely ignorant of our problems. What is holding us back? What are our self-inflicted wounds? Why are we going to get worse before we get better?

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/14/2018 7:47:39 PM

One thing to keep in mind is that this ranking combines research universities and liberal arts colleges into one, so that explains a lot of the gap between it and usnwr.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/15/2018 9:44:40 PM

http://new.money.com/money/best-colleges/profile/ohio-uni... /

Money magazine ranks us 694.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/17/2018 4:39:52 AM

Good job to Kasich and the Trustees!

694, nothing to sneeze at.

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/18/2018 11:44:33 AM

When I was in high school our Guidance Counselors played a big part in directing students to colleges.

I don't have any kids.

My nieces and nephews wanted to stay local.

So I really don't have any first hand experience as to how much these rankings mean,especially since they all seem to base their rankings on different criteria.

Some of that criteria seems to be quite subjective.

Just wonder if anyone out there who is either in involved in education or who has kids,can tell me how much "weight" these rankings have when a kid is considering a school.

Last Edited: 9/18/2018 11:45:00 AM by rpbobcat

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RE: We're Number 454

Posted: 9/18/2018 3:04:02 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

Over the last decade, I've worked quite a few college fairs on behalf of OHIO Admissions, and I have never had a student/parent/guidance counselor ask me what OHIO's ranking was in any publication. (other than on the very rare event someone brings up party school rankings...in a bad way)

Last Edited: 9/18/2018 3:04:26 PM by D.A.

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