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Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/3/2018 12:17:06 PM  One thing not mentioned is that this also comes at a time when state institutions are not seeing the same level of support from their state governments that they have in the past either. Some tidbits from a slightly old article linked below: Forty-six states — all except Montana, North Dakota, Wisconsin, and Wyoming — are spending less per student in the 2015-16 school year than they did before the recession States cut funding deeply after the recession hit. The average state is spending $1,598, or 18 percent, less per student than before the recession. Per-student funding in nine states — Alabama, Arizona, Idaho, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and South Carolina — is down by more than 30 percent since the start of the recession. In 12 states, per-student funding fell over the last year. Of these, four states — Arkansas, Illinois, Kentucky, and Vermont — have cut per-student higher education funding for the last two consecutive years. In the last year, 38 states increased funding per student. Per-student funding rose $199, or 2.8 percent, nationally. https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/fundin... BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/3/2018 12:40:31 PM  Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 10:01:36 AM  I've said it here a lot. Ohio grossly overbuilt the system in the 1960s and then told all those new campuses that they were free to start loading up with doctoral and professional programs. It also created a silly redundant system where the 2 year community colleges compete with the in-house "branch campuses" of the 4 year schools. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 11:18:01 AM  OUPride wrote: I've said it here a lot. Ohio grossly overbuilt the system in the 1960s and then told all those new campuses that they were free to start loading up with doctoral and professional programs. It also created a silly redundant system where the 2 year community colleges compete with the in-house "branch campuses" of the 4 year schools. Agreed 100% here. How would you trim the system if you could? I'd combine Toledo and Bowling Green and also combine Akron and Kent. That's a good start in my opinion. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 12:06:29 PM  The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 2:51:38 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. You should know by now that he's trolling. In his next post he'll call you an east coast elite and proclaim how Ohio don't need no stinkin' outsiders. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 10:34:00 PM  DelBobcat wrote: OUPride wrote: I've said it here a lot. Ohio grossly overbuilt the system in the 1960s and then told all those new campuses that they were free to start loading up with doctoral and professional programs. It also created a silly redundant system where the 2 year community colleges compete with the in-house "branch campuses" of the 4 year schools. Agreed 100% here. How would you trim the system if you could? I'd combine Toledo and Bowling Green and also combine Akron and Kent. That's a good start in my opinion. If I were King of the Forest (and possessed a time machine), I'd make the following changes. No branch campuses. For two year campuses, there'd be one, centrally run community college system. Out of the bankrupt metropolitan universities, only Cincinnati would have been brought in as a independent four year university. Akron and Toledo would have been combined with BGSU and KSU. If they didn't like it, then let them die off and turn the campuses into community colleges/city colleges. The Eagleson Act (which allowed only OSU to have Ph.D programs, professional schools, and to conduct research would have been modified but not thrown out the window. It would have been expanded to include a set and defined number of other Ohio public universities relative to Ohio's population and number of four-year universities. Something along the lines of California's Master Plan would have been implemented that separated research universities from colleges from community/city colleges. Miami's scheming, politicking and games to become the system's only selective university would have been snuffed out before it started. Three universities would have been allowed to have selective admissions (Ohio, OSU and Miami). UC, Toledo-BGSU and KSU-Akron would have marginally selective admissions: i.e. enough to balance certain standards while maintaining access as both commuter schools and safety schools for kids who don't get into OU-OSU-MU. Any other four-year campus would be open admission. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,150 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 11:00:32 PM  DelBobcat wrote: . . .I'd combine Toledo and Bowling Green and also combine Akron and Kent. That's a good start in my opinion. Totally agree here. Those schools should have been merged years ago. In the latter case, Governor Rhodes even proposed it. Under his proposal it was to be called the University of Northeastern Ohio with both a downtown and a suburban campus, but one set of administrators. And, of course, the ending of some duplicate programs. It didn't get very far. If I recall correctly, a lot of opposition came from OSU, because it would have created a school that at the time would have been close the same size as A&M in terms of overall enrollment. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,150 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/4/2018 11:02:43 PM  Also, there was opposition from Akron and Kent sports fans who hated each other and couldn't stomach the idea of a combined athletic program. However, such a combined program would probably have been stronger and would have been more cost effective. I wonder how these folks would respond to this kind of merger today. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 8:58:03 AM  OhioCatFan wrote: Also, there was opposition from Akron and Kent sports fans who hated each other and couldn't stomach the idea of a combined athletic program. However, such a combined program would probably have been stronger and would have been more cost effective. I wonder how these folks would respond to this kind of merger today. I think Fingerhut and Strickland floated it around and got a lot of resistance. This time, though, OSU was fully on board with it. OSU's position on branch campuses has flipped in the opposite direction. They never wanted them and only started building theirs in response to Ohio, KSU and Miami. Throughout the 60s to 80s, they were on record saying that all schools should turn their branches over to a community college system. Their position changed in the 90s as their admissions standards really began to crank up. Now, they see their branches as a means of diffusing any political blowback from denying admission to so many Ohioans as well as a means of parking a number of 25-27 ACT type students for a year or two before letting them transfer to Columbus. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 9:37:09 AM  Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. I realize what the article said. I think it's a garbage article. The main "problem" I see here is that some people don't feel there is a moral obligation for Ohio University to make it a priority to educate local children. Ohio University educating more kids from Ohio, wow things are really getting out of hand. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame General User Member Since: 7/30/2010 Post Count: 3,457 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 11:02:45 AM  The Optimist wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. I realize what the article said. I think it's a garbage article. The main "problem" I see here is that some people don't feel there is a moral obligation for Ohio University to make it a priority to educate local children. Ohio University educating more kids from Ohio, wow things are really getting out of hand. But to achieve the moral obligation of educating local children, universities need the revenue generated by international students. If you think it's a garbage article, you need to propose an alternative means of generating the revenue to educate more kids from Ohio. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,839 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 11:56:07 AM  The Optimist wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. I realize what the article said. I think it's a garbage article. The main "problem" I see here is that some people don't feel there is a moral obligation for Ohio University to make it a priority to educate local children. Ohio University educating more kids from Ohio, wow things are really getting out of hand. The article is a well-researched and fact-based account of what's happening. If you want to get mad about the lack of support for Ohio kids, talk to your state legislators. Better yet, vote for different ones. https://www.policymattersohio.org/research-policy/fair-ec... Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,719 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 12:43:17 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: Also, there was opposition from Akron and Kent sports fans who hated each other and couldn't stomach the idea of a combined athletic program. However, such a combined program would probably have been stronger and would have been more cost effective. I wonder how these folks would respond to this kind of merger today. Back when Ms. Cartwright was president of Kent State, she and I became friends. Early in her tenure she sent up a trial balloon: Change the university's name from Kent State to Kent. Her "balloon" seemed to float off into the stratosphere. When next I saw her, I asked if her dropping the name change idea resulted from alumni blowback. She smiled ruefully and nodded. That said it all. http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/5/2018 12:52:16 PM  The Optimist wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. I realize what the article said. I think it's a garbage article. The main "problem" I see here is that some people don't feel there is a moral obligation for Ohio University to make it a priority to educate local children. Ohio University educating more kids from Ohio, wow things are really getting out of hand. Out of curiosity, would you support spending the $18M a year that goes towards the athletic subsidy on scholarships for in-state students instead? I'm going to edit this and expand on it a bit. Ohio's entire endowment only disburses just over $20M/year to the university. Ohio State just announced that any in-state student who qualified for a Pell Grant would attend tuition free. Now, after Pell Grants and other scholarships are taken into account, OSU estimated that will cost them about $11M/year. So, for probably about half the athletic subsidy, we could be trumpeting in every newspaper in the state, every high school college fair and so on that if you're an Ohio resident from a family that makes less than 60K/year, you can attend Ohio tuition free. Now, if you think that enrolling Ohio residents (a "moral obligation") is the most important issue for Ohio, I'll ask what expenditure do you think best moves Ohio forward? Last Edited: 1/8/2018 11:28:44 AM by OUPride Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/14/2018 2:13:22 PM  From all indications the university is entering an austerity period after the expansion of the McDavis years. Plans for extras on campus are dialed back. Administration approved a new ridges plan that doesn't include a hotel as originally proposed on the corner of Richland Ave. We are unlikely to see an expanded Ping Center or expansion of The Convo with basketball practice courts either during the Nellis tenure. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-committee-recom... Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/17/2018 10:15:51 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: From all indications the university is entering an austerity period after the expansion of the McDavis years. Plans for extras on campus are dialed back. Administration approved a new ridges plan that doesn't include a hotel as originally proposed on the corner of Richland Ave. We are unlikely to see an expanded Ping Center or expansion of The Convo with basketball practice courts either during the Nellis tenure. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-committee-recom... It does seem as though McDavis is out at the right time and before his reckless spending created an Akron type situation. It would appear though that, if not a full blown Akron-type crisis, a period of financial retrenchment is certainly at hand, and the trustees and administration are going to need to start making some hard decisions on where best to allocate resources to keep Ohio competitive and moving forward. Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/17/2018 1:58:41 PM  The Optimist wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: The Optimist wrote: Less international students will almost surely result in a higher % of students at Ohio University coming from the state of Ohio. #SupportLocalKids You do realize that the article is precisely about the problem of having "local" kids, right? For one, there are fewer of them, so most state schools will inevitably lose enrollment. Perhaps more importantly, they pay a lot less in tuition and the offset for that coming from the state does not compensate for it. I realize what the article said. I think it's a garbage article. The main "problem" I see here is that some people don't feel there is a moral obligation for Ohio University to make it a priority to educate local children. Ohio University educating more kids from Ohio, wow things are really getting out of hand. I think it would be wonderful if Ohio University could educate more kids from Ohio. I value Ohio University's commitment to it's community and that's why I donate to the Appalachian Scholars program, a program of which I was a beneficiary. If you want to help educate more kids from Ohio I recommend you throw a little money towards the program as well, they could always use the help. But if we want systemic change it has to be made at the state level. The State of Ohio does not value higher education, so institutions look toward international students as a way to shore up the lack of state-level funding. As long as the GOP holds 66 seats in the State House and and 24 in the State Senate we will not see an investment in higher education in Ohio. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/17/2018 9:52:26 PM  OUPride wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: From all indications the university is entering an austerity period after the expansion of the McDavis years. Plans for extras on campus are dialed back. Administration approved a new ridges plan that doesn't include a hotel as originally proposed on the corner of Richland Ave. We are unlikely to see an expanded Ping Center or expansion of The Convo with basketball practice courts either during the Nellis tenure. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/ou-committee-recom... It does seem as though McDavis is out at the right time and before his reckless spending created an Akron type situation. It would appear though that, if not a full blown Akron-type crisis, a period of financial retrenchment is certainly at hand, and the trustees and administration are going to need to start making some hard decisions on where best to allocate resources to keep Ohio competitive and moving forward. What I'm talking about is the university has 626.4 million dollars of outstanding debt according to what is stated in (chapter 7) of the university budget book. By 2021 depending on inflation that number could reach 760 million. For this reason I think there is some caution at the moment for committing to sports & recreation extras. Although, I did see where only 125 million from the latest bond 325 million authorization (page 53) has been allocated so its possible the university could spring for an addition to the Ping Center, Convo ect. in a few years. They like to keep construction businesses in the area working by spreading out the projects over a number of years IMO. https://www.ohio.edu/sites/default/files/sites/finance/bu... Last Edited: 1/17/2018 9:53:59 PM by TWT Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top DelBobcat General User Member Since: 8/26/2010 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,135 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/18/2018 9:03:51 AM  I might be wrong but I think our financial situation is good compared to other universities in Ohio. I'd happily absorb some numbers if anybody has them. But McDavis getting a lot of crap about financial decisions seems misplaced. The biggest investment I've seen has been the new dorms. I don't think that could've been avoided. BA OHIO 2010, BS OHIO 2010, MA Delaware 2012 Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/18/2018 9:15:04 AM  DelBobcat wrote: I might be wrong but I think our financial situation is good compared to other universities in Ohio. I'd happily absorb some numbers if anybody has them. But McDavis getting a lot of crap about financial decisions seems misplaced. The biggest investment I've seen has been the new dorms. I don't think that could've been avoided. The last numbers that I saw were around 2014/2015, and they back you up. At that time, looking at the debt to annual budget ration, Ohio was in decent shape at about 1:2, which is about the same as OSU (though OSU sits on a billion dollars in unrestricted cash reserves as a rainy day fund). Cincinnati and Miami were in much worse shape at 1:1 as a result of some drunken sailor spending to position itself for a P5 bid in the case of the former and lure all those University of Illinois rejects from the Chicago suburbs in the case of the latter. Akron was not surprisingly the basket case carrying more than one and a half times their annual budget in debt. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/22/2018 3:27:22 PM  DelBobcat wrote: I might be wrong but I think our financial situation is good compared to other universities in Ohio. I'd happily absorb some numbers if anybody has them. But McDavis getting a lot of crap about financial decisions seems misplaced. The biggest investment I've seen has been the new dorms. I don't think that could've been avoided. McDavis did a lot of good for the university. He's kept us at 11% of the overall state funding budget as funding metrics have shifted. I don't think anyone predicted that Ohio St would have so much success from 2000 onward both on the football field and in admissions. They are increasing their true freshman class size totally abandoning their open admission commuter university model they had for decades. When will Ohio make a similar run and become a more selective school with a 27 ACT/3.7 GPA average? If you asked me two decades ago I would have thought we'd be there by now. We have the walkable community and progressive business climate the new generation is looking for but somehow we just aren't marketing it right. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top OUPride General User Member Since: 9/21/2010 Post Count: 574 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/23/2018 10:30:42 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: DelBobcat wrote: I might be wrong but I think our financial situation is good compared to other universities in Ohio. I'd happily absorb some numbers if anybody has them. But McDavis getting a lot of crap about financial decisions seems misplaced. The biggest investment I've seen has been the new dorms. I don't think that could've been avoided. McDavis did a lot of good for the university. He's kept us at 11% of the overall state funding budget as funding metrics have shifted. I don't think anyone predicted that Ohio St would have so much success from 2000 onward both on the football field and in admissions. They are increasing their true freshman class size totally abandoning their open admission commuter university model they had for decades. When will Ohio make a similar run and become a more selective school with a 27 ACT/3.7 GPA average? If you asked me two decades ago I would have thought we'd be there by now. We have the walkable community and progressive business climate the new generation is looking for but somehow we just aren't marketing it right. A couple of thoughts. I think anyone should have predicted what happened at OSU. OSU was never a commuter school in the sense that Cincinnati is. Sure, they had a fair amount of Columbus area students simply because they were located in one of the 3 C's, but they always pulled students from all over the state and from out of state. Half the student body seemed to be from Cleveland when I went up there in the late 80s. They were also always a major AAU/Big 10 research university. Jim Rhodes forced them to be open admission from the mid 60s through the mid 80s (which they got around by flunking out 25% of each freshmen class), and when those restrictions were lifted by Celeste and Riffe, what happened afterwards was pretty much inevitable. Public perception often lags the reality on the ground. OSU had pretty much equaled Miami in admissions by 1995 and had clearly surpassed them by the early 2000s, yet today there are Miami alumni that are utterly in disbelief if you tell them that OSU is harder to get into than Miami. Of course, they're the special kind of morons who still reread their yellowed, 30 year old copy of Public Ivies every year. McDavis liked to talk a big game, and one of his favorite things to say was that Ohio would equal and even surpass OSU in admissions. It was nice red meat for a certain crowd, but it was utterly hollow speechifying. Under McDavis, Ohio's admission stats were stagnant in a time when the demographic trends were favorable. As much as it sickens me to say it, UC is now harder to get into than Ohio, and that's 100% on McDavis. As for catching OSU, it's never going to happen. Their average ACT is just a decimal point under 30, and their median SAT at 1300 (https://mup.asu.edu/sites/default/files/mup-2015-top-amer... ) is the tenth highest in the country for a public university. Miami can't keep up even with scrounging every high school in the Chicago suburbs for Big Ten rejects, so I think it's an unrealistic goal for Ohio to be judging itself against. And I guess that gets me to why I really don't like McDavis. He may have done well in some areas, but at the end of the day, he was a sunshine pumper who made unrealistic promises that he utterly failed to keep. I'm interested in your thoughts on how Ohio should be marketing itself. Unlike during McDavis' tenure, Nellis doesn't have an expanding pool of Ohio high school graduates. As I asked Optimist, if educating more Ohioans is a "moral obligation" wouldn't our annaul 18M athletic subsidy, or at least a portion of it, be better spent on undergraduate scholarships? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,150 Status: Offline     RE: Another existential threat    Posted: 1/23/2018 11:26:49 AM  OUPride, Well, McDavis did keep that promise in one respect: OU-HCOM is now the largest medical school in the state in terms of enrollment, if you include the two new campuses in Dublin and Cleveland. I know you were talking UG enrollment, and I'm sure that's what McDavis was talking about, too, but I thought the growth of the medical school under McDavis deserves mention. He really didn't have too much to do with it, but the head guy (or gal) always gets credit or blame for the things that happen during his (or her) tenure. The key factor spurring that grow, of course, was the $120 million gift from the Ohio Osteopathic Foundations. Former Dean Jack Brose gets most of the credit for negotiating that deal. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. 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