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Alan Swank
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/3/2016 11:06:31 PM 

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Monroe Slavin
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 2:08:00 AM 
Please. I thought that Rick Perry was minimally qualified, but probably qualified. Palin, not qualified in any way. Quayle was probably minimally qualified. Romney was qualified.

All these, despite that I don't agree with their politics.

But anyone who thinks Trump is in any way qualified has probably not the requisite capacity required to exercise the franchise.


He's a great salesman but a blowhard who has no idea what's required by the office, is making no attempt to be prepared for the office, and his self-delusion, pompousness, and pettiness are astounding.


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.





Last Edited: 10/4/2016 2:08:42 AM by Monroe Slavin

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akroncat
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 10:21:51 AM 
So you don't like the same old stuff every year from Solich. I believe you don't think he ever changes. If this is your belief, how can you back Hilary? The same old stuff, year after year. There are many Ohio University graduates that live in the real world of Ohio not California who have different opinions than you.
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Monroe Slavin
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 10:30:39 AM 
You miss both points.

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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 11:34:00 AM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.




While I am not a Trump supporter, people on either coast who can't comprehend the support he is garnering are out of touch with middle America(both geographically and politically.)
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 11:37:58 AM 
MedinaCat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.




While I am not a Trump supporter, people on either coast who can't comprehend the support he is garnering are out of touch with middle America(both geographically and politically.)


Sorry, but this only half right.

People on the coasts are, unquestionably, out of touch with middle America and the anger/disenfranchisement they feel. But that has nothing at all to do with Trump support.

Which parts of Trump's policy proposals help Ohio residents? Bottom line is he's peddling anger, resentment, fear and racism. And while he's tapped into real anger and economic fear, he's done nothing to indicate that he's the person to solve those problems.
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BillyTheCat
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   Posted: 10/4/2016 12:13:58 PM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MedinaCat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.




While I am not a Trump supporter, people on either coast who can't comprehend the support he is garnering are out of touch with middle America(both geographically and politically.)


Sorry, but this only half right.

People on the coasts are, unquestionably, out of touch with middle America and the anger/disenfranchisement they feel. But that has nothing at all to do with Trump support.

Which parts of Trump's policy proposals help Ohio residents? Bottom line is he's peddling anger, resentment, fear and racism. And while he's tapped into real anger and economic fear, he's done nothing to indicate that he's the person to solve those problems.



+1
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MedinaCat
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 1:08:02 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
MedinaCat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.




While I am not a Trump supporter, people on either coast who can't comprehend the support he is garnering are out of touch with middle America(both geographically and politically.)


Sorry, but this only half right.

People on the coasts are, unquestionably, out of touch with middle America and the anger/disenfranchisement they feel. But that has nothing at all to do with Trump support.

Which parts of Trump's policy proposals help Ohio residents? Bottom line is he's peddling anger, resentment, fear and racism. And while he's tapped into real anger and economic fear, he's done nothing to indicate that he's the person to solve those problems.



+1



No reason to be sorry...I don't think we disagree at all.
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Monroe Slavin
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 4:09:08 PM 
MedinaCat wrote:
Monroe Slavin wrote:


That polls have Trump leading Clinton in Ohio is both absolutely astounding embarrassing and explain all the support for Solich and staff.




While I am not a Trump supporter, people on either coast who can't comprehend the support he is garnering are out of touch with middle America(both geographically and politically.)




I comprehend it in the sense that it appears to be a fact, with election day being the ultimate determiner if Trump has a majority in Ohio.

Many on the threads here hate me but I think that few can effectively deny that I first get the facts right. Getting the facts right is absolutely critical in business...and life.


What is incomprehensible is that people actually support someone who is so obviously unqualified.

Vote for yourself. Vote for Cruz or Bernie or anyone else who is at least qualified, no matter what arguments we may have over their policies.

But Trump is actually going to get tens of millions of votes. That is sad. And astonishing.


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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 6:22:22 PM 
I think a lot of people misjudge just how much support Mr. Trump has.

One of my clients had to take a trip south,through the Carolinas, Georgia ,Tenn.

He's a Clinton supporter.
He kept saying that he didn't see Mrs. Clinton having much of a problem winning the election.
Then he took that trip.
He said all he saw were wall to wall Trump/Pence signs everywhere.
Not a Clinton sign anywhere.

He also said, living in the NY/NJ area you really don't get a "feel" for how other parts of the country feel.

Last Edited: 10/4/2016 6:23:06 PM by rpbobcat
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Monroe Slavin
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 6:58:42 PM 
Oh, c'mon. It's obvious that Trump has much support in Middle America and the South.

That support is a fact and no one denies that it exists strongly in those places.

What is puzzling is why. It's especially puzzling as to why those who are most hurt by Republican trickle-down, favor-the-rich policies (tax policies, ETC...Trump as exhibit #1) continue to support Republicans. A clinging to the past (which is long gone) explains that, of course....as it explains support for Solich.

Just because one refuses to acknowledge reality doesn't mean it doesn't exist: Solich can't beat good teams or win a MACC.

And, greater historical trends and economic arbitrage (hey, it's cheaper to manufacture in Asia...and you love the cheap products from that manufacturing) are why manufacturing jobs left...and you'd be angry as hell (cause that's the m.o.) if tariffs raised prices on those cheap goods.

But, hey, get angry. It's a lot easier than getting educated, than preparing for the future economy. Blaming others and wallowing in the past will not create the future. The same old same old will not create the future, will not win a MACC.


And don't argue back to me that Repubs are not the party of anger.

Anger seems to be an easy message to create. It's mostly tied to the past with no real solution forward.


No one can deny that the Repubs with that msg of anger frame their msg a lot better than the Dems.



Trump: I BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!



Gotta love that Trump has created such a funny new go-to: "Wrong!"




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BillyTheCat
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/4/2016 10:58:21 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:
Oh, c'mon. It's obvious that Trump has much support in Middle America and the South.

That support is a fact and no one denies that it exists strongly in those places.

What is puzzling is why. It's especially puzzling as to why those who are most hurt by Republican trickle-down, favor-the-rich policies (tax policies, ETC...Trump as exhibit #1) continue to support Republicans. A clinging to the past (which is long gone) explains that, of course....as it explains support for Solich.

Just because one refuses to acknowledge reality doesn't mean it doesn't exist: Solich can't beat good teams or win a MACC.

And, greater historical trends and economic arbitrage (hey, it's cheaper to manufacture in Asia...and you love the cheap products from that manufacturing) are why manufacturing jobs left...and you'd be angry as hell (cause that's the m.o.) if tariffs raised prices on those cheap goods.

But, hey, get angry. It's a lot easier than getting educated, than preparing for the future economy. Blaming others and wallowing in the past will not create the future. The same old same old will not create the future, will not win a MACC.


And don't argue back to me that Repubs are not the party of anger.

Anger seems to be an easy message to create. It's mostly tied to the past with no real solution forward.


No one can deny that the Repubs with that msg of anger frame their msg a lot better than the Dems.



Trump: I BLAME SOMEONE ELSE!



Gotta love that Trump has created such a funny new go-to: "Wrong!"






+1, Kansas is the case study for trickle down and its working great
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TheGreatLarryMoe
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  Topic is Read Only - Message Not Read  RE: 2016 Presidential election
   Posted: 10/5/2016 1:28:40 AM 
The overall political leanings across the country can be summed up very simply: Urban vs Rural. I saw a map of the US for the 2012 election, divided up by voting district. That map was a perfect representation of the urban areas across the country, shown in Blue, vs the rural areas, shown in Red. It didn't matter whether you were looking at the South or New England, the Midwest or the Pacific Coast. Rural America is predominantly conservative and Urban America is predominantly liberal.

As far as Trump's popularity goes, it doesn't have anything to do with his policies or promises. The reason he is getting so much support is the fact that he is not Hillary Clinton and is not a politician. Likewise, the reason for much of Hillary's support is the act that many people are afraid of a Trump Presidency, and see her as the lesser of two evils.
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   Posted: 10/5/2016 9:34:26 AM 
I find it funny that the midwest and south are automatically referred to as "real America." What's that even mean?

There are 60 million people in the Northeast (not counting DC metro area, which some consider southern but I definitely do not) and 50 million in the western coastal states. That's 110 million people. About a third of the U.S. Do they not count as real Americans?

It doesn't surprise me that there are tons more Trump signs than Hillary signs in South Carolina. But there are more people in the Philly metro area than that entire state, so it doesn't really tell me anything about how "America" feels.

Plus, more Trump supporters have nice big lawns facing rural highways where they can proudly display their signs. I don't have a lawn to put a sign in. There are only a couple of Hillary signs displayed in windows in my neighborhood (population density of 22,000 people per square mile, 15% black, 30% Asian, 5% Hispanic) but I would not be surprised if Donald Trump gets exactly zero votes.

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   Posted: 10/5/2016 3:44:30 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


But anyone who thinks Trump is in any way qualified has probably not the requisite capacity required to exercise the franchise.



John Cleese on stupidity

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/john_cleese_fox_news_v...

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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 10/5/2016 11:30:25 PM 
For instance, Jerry Springer, former governor (whatever) of Cinci.

I don't even know what party he was/is. But smart, aware, seeming to have a sense of humor and humanity. Qualified.

Trump...no.


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   Posted: 10/6/2016 2:57:45 PM 
He was Democratic mayor and on city council of Cincinnati and lost his position when he was caught paying for hookers with a personal check that was discovered during a raid.

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   Posted: 10/6/2016 3:24:10 PM 
DelBobcat wrote:
I find it funny that the midwest and south are automatically referred to as "real America." What's that even mean?

There are 60 million people in the Northeast (not counting DC metro area, which some consider southern but I definitely do not) and 50 million in the western coastal states. That's 110 million people. About a third of the U.S. Do they not count as real Americans?

It doesn't surprise me that there are tons more Trump signs than Hillary signs in South Carolina. But there are more people in the Philly metro area than that entire state, so it doesn't really tell me anything about how "America" feels.

Plus, more Trump supporters have nice big lawns facing rural highways where they can proudly display their signs. I don't have a lawn to put a sign in. There are only a couple of Hillary signs displayed in windows in my neighborhood (population density of 22,000 people per square mile, 15% black, 30% Asian, 5% Hispanic) but I would not be surprised if Donald Trump gets exactly zero votes.


Thank you!! Real America has got to be the dumbest term ever coined about any region of the country. Not surprising that ms. palin loved to use it.

Some things simply aren't up for interpretation. I have to agree with Monroe here. Sometimes a turd sandwich is just a god damned turd sandwich. If anyone really thinks Trump is in any way qualified to lead this country, it's amazing they have enough brain power to stand upright (in a political sense, of course).
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   Posted: 10/6/2016 3:55:32 PM 
Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:
DelBobcat wrote:
I find it funny that the midwest and south are automatically referred to as "real America." What's that even mean?

There are 60 million people in the Northeast (not counting DC metro area, which some consider southern but I definitely do not) and 50 million in the western coastal states. That's 110 million people. About a third of the U.S. Do they not count as real Americans?

It doesn't surprise me that there are tons more Trump signs than Hillary signs in South Carolina. But there are more people in the Philly metro area than that entire state, so it doesn't really tell me anything about how "America" feels.

Plus, more Trump supporters have nice big lawns facing rural highways where they can proudly display their signs. I don't have a lawn to put a sign in. There are only a couple of Hillary signs displayed in windows in my neighborhood (population density of 22,000 people per square mile, 15% black, 30% Asian, 5% Hispanic) but I would not be surprised if Donald Trump gets exactly zero votes.


Thank you!! Real America has got to be the dumbest term ever coined about any region of the country. Not surprising that ms. palin loved to use it.

Some things simply aren't up for interpretation. I have to agree with Monroe here. Sometimes a turd sandwich is just a god damned turd sandwich. If anyone really thinks Trump is in any way qualified to lead this country, it's amazing they have enough brain power to stand upright (in a political sense, of course).



Christ. The arrogance you people show is unbelievable. Get over yourselves. No one gives sh!+ who you're voting for, or what you think of others. Let it go.
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Monroe Slavin
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   Posted: 10/6/2016 5:02:29 PM 
The voice of rigid conservatism chimes in.

You need to get out of your head, out of your beliefs and the echo chamber that encompasses them. You need to be able to put your beliefs aside (not necessarily disavow them...just be able to see beyond them) and see that Trump is in no way qualified and Solich is mediocre (only less than five losses in a season twice in his 11 full seasons at Ohio against weakass MACEast and out-of-conf schedules).

Rigid. Rigid. Rigid.


See, even though DFC and I disagree bigtime on a lot of stuff, there are times when we assess what's there--not what we want to be there--and agree.


See you in about 33 days.

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   Posted: 10/6/2016 6:21:36 PM 
Monroe Slavin wrote:


You need to get out of your head, out of your beliefs and the echo chamber that encompasses them. You need to be able to put your beliefs aside (not necessarily disavow them...just be able to see beyond them)


See you in about 33 days.


This seems appropriate to put here.
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