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Ability to govern and to meet expectations of the electorate ?? Last Edited: 5/29/2016 7:19:35 PM by Monroe Slavin Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,072 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/29/2016 9:16:37 PM  A sad day for America and an even sadder statement on the "mindset" of many Americans. God help us one and all. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/30/2016 7:26:54 PM  I find BOTH those who LOVE him and those who HATE him to be equally silly. It seems obvious to me that he doesn't actually believe the "positions" he is taking. He is saying stuff to get media attention... And it is working. As Monroe stated, I agree that he is a "great marketer." People belittle his business accomplishments, but that is because they look at him from a real estate/fiscal standpoint and not the marketing standpoint where he is truly most accomplished. I think much of Trump's support is not because people even agree with what he is saying, but because people are so fed up with Washington they are willing to vote for a guy who it seems only cares about giving Washington the middle finger. My suspicion is that Donald Trump will actual end up being very "middle of the road" in his initiatives. For that reason, being a staunch fiscal conservative, I won't vote for him. But I also don't have the strong love/hate for him that so many others do. Nothing to fear in a moderate. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/30/2016 11:18:50 PM  Good analysis, Opti. What worries me are: no apparent effort yet to assemble a broad, experienced team of governmental and political execs/operatives such as will be needed to govern...and can we have a national leader who says outrageous stuff and then backtracks--and if not, what is Trump going to go to as his style of governing? Where's the ability to stop berating/braying and to truly lead? Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/31/2016 12:05:14 AM  Trump did a nice job polishing off the Republican field. My girlfriend who is in politics thought he had the nomination in the bag before the first primary. I wasn't so sure believing that a narrowed field would make a difference for Cruz or Rubio after the first couple of contests. After Trump won Nevada big with Jeb Bush out of the race that threw the narrow field theory out the window. To be fully qualified as president someone should have held a national office before (Governor or Senator as example). How else would you know how govern? It's not to say its impossible to succeed without political experience but it makes it more difficult. Trump says he'd like to put a tax on companies that off shore jobs, pull back on defense commitments to concentrate on terrorism. There are some issues that he is to the left of Hillary Clinton. Nobody knows really what he would do if becomes president though, whereas with Hillary its more clear its going to be a continuation of Obama's policies, notably his monetary policy which has been successful in managing the economy. The overtime exemption threshold for salaried workers was just doubled by the administration. Hillary is going to be a safer choice. You can put a vote in for Hillary with the idea that if it is Trump it isn't the end of the world like it would be with Ted Cruz. That guy wanted to turn back all social progress. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/31/2016 12:20:09 AM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Good analysis, Opti. What worries me are: no apparent effort yet to assemble a broad, experienced team of governmental and political execs/operatives such as will be needed to govern...and can we have a national leader who says outrageous stuff and then backtracks--and if not, what is Trump going to go to as his style of governing? Where's the ability to stop berating/braying and to truly lead? Nobody really knows. A vote for Trump is a vote into the unknown. Its not impossible to assemble an experienced competent team on short notice. Would he be like Putin and go in a Nationalist direction? George W. did that with his wars. He could be a check on Republican power if he won't sign onto Republican bills. It may feel like having an Independent as president who has an agenda separate from both major parties. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 5/31/2016 9:56:21 AM  Both parties have flawed candidates. Trump and Sanders' supporters are much more passionate then Hillary's. It remains to be seen if Sanders supporters would come out for Hillary or just stay home. Trump,being a lesser known commodity,also has a better chance to win over voters by "molding" his image. I also think,especially after the release of the Inspector General's report last week,that the email issue is going to dog Hillary through the campaign.It remains to be seen how much Sanders uses it in the next week. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/1/2016 7:35:10 AM  It's gonna be shocking how many Sanders supporters will not vote for Hillary. Jill Stein will get a significant number of them. Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/1/2016 7:40:01 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: It's gonna be shocking how many Sanders supporters will not vote for Hillary. Jill Stein will get a significant number of them. Same might be the case with the Republican base voting Gary Johnson. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/1/2016 8:17:21 AM  There was an interesting piece on the news this morning about the National election. Trump and Clinton are virtually tied. Sanders leads Trump by 9% points. Obviously, this is due in part to the fact that Trump and/or the Republicans,really hasn't gone after Sanders. The report also said most Sanders supporters they polled wouldn't vote for Clinton,even if Sanders was V.P. If Sanders carries Ca.,which is now a dead heat,the Democratic Convention could be a mess. Back to Top cc-cat General User Member Since: 4/5/2006 Location: matthews, NC Post Count: 3,871 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/1/2016 11:00:27 PM  WSJ and NBC had a report that basically said for every 10% of Sanders people that vote for Clinton her vote percent goes up 1%. They have estimated that she will get 70% of his voters. Thus if she is at 45% (currently 45 Clinton 41 trump) then she will end up at 52%. Trump will get very very few sanders voters (his views on climate change alone will drive them away). And Johnson (libertarian) will siphon a few votes away from him. Dems will end up making up and sanders will go after and enjoy going after trump on her behalf. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,101 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/2/2016 7:25:34 AM  You're leaving out Jill Stein of the Green Party. A major national poll shows her at 3% of the vote. That will grow dramatically after Hillary gets nominated. Back to Top Bobcatbob General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Coolville, OH Post Count: 1,344 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/2/2016 2:02:51 PM  I would really like to see these polls translated to "percent of electorate who might actually vote" versus percent responding becasue the apathy/disgust factor in this November's elections will be at an all-time high. Lesser politicians on the ticket, especially Senate and House candidates, have to be completely apoplectic over the way this is going; party loyalty is anything but a given, "anybody but him/her" cross-party voting will be a real issue, etc, etc. Outside of a convention, when have any two candidates ever made a pact to cooperate to block a third like Cruz/Kasich? Makes me long for a settled monarchy. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/2/2016 3:27:09 PM  It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,227 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/3/2016 4:00:03 PM  They could dig up General Dwight Eisenhower to be trump's runningmate and they wouldn't sniff 200 electoral votes, much less the 270 needed. Look for a final EV tally of around 347 to 191. And get used to the phrase: "Madam President" Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,778 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/3/2016 11:04:26 PM  greencat wrote: They could dig up General Dwight Eisenhower to be trump's runningmate and they wouldn't sniff 200 electoral votes, much less the 270 needed. Look for a final EV tally of around 347 to 191. And get used to the phrase: "Madam President" I hope you are right, but I don't think so Back to Top greencat General User Member Since: 3/12/2005 Post Count: 2,227 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/7/2016 1:03:22 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: greencat wrote: They could dig up General Dwight Eisenhower to be trump's runningmate and they wouldn't sniff 200 electoral votes, much less the 270 needed. Look for a final EV tally of around 347 to 191. And get used to the phrase: "Madam President" I hope you are right, but I don't think so Bet you changed your mind on that is the last 3 days. Non-partisan PredictWise says at least a 73% chance of HRC as the next Pres. Back to Top TWT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,998 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/7/2016 10:56:18 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 6:46:17 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I think Trump may keep an edge with the economic issue,if he keeps the pressure on Mrs. Clinton to release the transcripts of the speeches she gave to Wall Street groups. Its hard to come off as being for the little guy and anti Wall Street if you're making big bucks to give speeches to the same people to you're vowing to rein in and if those speeches don't criticize them in any way. There has to be something there ,or she would have released them when Sanders asked about them. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,778 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 9:01:02 AM  rpbobcat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I think Trump may keep an edge with the economic issue,if he keeps the pressure on Mrs. Clinton to release the transcripts of the speeches she gave to Wall Street groups. Its hard to come off as being for the little guy and anti Wall Street if you're making big bucks to give speeches to the same people to you're vowing to rein in and if those speeches don't criticize them in any way. There has to be something there ,or she would have released them when Sanders asked about them. He's in very little place to insist to give up something, while he's refusing to give up his tax returns. Back to Top rpbobcat General User Member Since: 4/28/2006 Location: Rochelle Park, NJ Post Count: 3,547 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 9:18:56 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: rpbobcat wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I think Trump may keep an edge with the economic issue,if he keeps the pressure on Mrs. Clinton to release the transcripts of the speeches she gave to Wall Street groups. Its hard to come off as being for the little guy and anti Wall Street if you're making big bucks to give speeches to the same people to you're vowing to rein in and if those speeches don't criticize them in any way. There has to be something there ,or she would have released them when Sanders asked about them. He's in very little place to insist to give up something, while he's refusing to give up his tax returns. They were talking about the Tax Return issue on the news out here. Apparently,he released some type of financial statement which went into detail about his finances. When the issue of releasing his tax returns, while under an audit, first came up, I asked our corporate accountant about it. He said that the IRS representative who said he "could" release his tax returns, while he was being audited,was 100% correct. He also said that because he "could",doesn't mean he "should".He said he would advise him not to release anything until the audit was complete and a decision issued. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,072 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 11:52:01 AM  Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I'm a working American and so is my wife and we can't relate to his message. I guess I don't understand your definition of "working American." Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 12:52:54 PM  Alan Swank wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I'm a working American and so is my wife and we can't relate to his message. I guess I don't understand your definition of "working American." I think "working American" is code for "Union." Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,072 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 1:59:12 PM  Robert Fox wrote: Alan Swank wrote: Uncle Wes wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: It's still to early ...election's months away....But the point about who will vote (voter apathy) is a good one. Besides himself and his apparent lack of building a team to govern, Trump faces lack of funding (compared to the competition) and lack of ground organization (espec compared to Clinton, apparently). Trump triumphed over the republican field because he offered an economic message that working American's relate to. He doesn't have that edge in a general election to the same extent. I'm a working American and so is my wife and we can't relate to his message. I guess I don't understand your definition of "working American." I think "working American" is code for "Union." I don't think so when only 6.7% of the private sector workers in America are unionized and only 14.8 million people total. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm Back to Top Robert Fox General User Member Since: 11/16/2004 Location: Knoxville, TN Post Count: 2,039 Status: Offline     RE: Trump.    Posted: 6/8/2016 2:06:47 PM  Perhaps he means more than just union, but even taken alone, 14 million is a big enough population to sway the vote one way or the other. 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