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easlee11
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OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 12:22:40 AM

I'll be blunt...As if the OU loss in basketball wasn't disappointment enough, that's nothing to the disgust I have, that there was not a moment of silence today to honor those victims/families affected by the Newtown, CT tragedy. Instead of OU- OH YEAH, your chant now should be OU - OH NO!!! I hope this post finds the appropriate parties involved in this inexcusable oversight!!

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 12:27:05 AM

I don't find such actions meaningful myself, but I certainly understand those who do. I think your best person to contact is Drake Bolon.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 12:46:36 AM

I know Drake...he's certainly not the person in charge of what comes over the loud speaker...

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Posted: 12/16/2012 1:26:09 AM

But the Director of Marketing would surely know who is, if it's not him.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 10:24:21 AM

I was also very concerned when we had no moment of silence. I memtioned this to my wife as we were standing for the National Anthem. The format for our games is getting tiresome. Our athletic department officials seem to very hesitant to try new things or the game format leader is lazy. How many people listened to Lou as he was reading promotional material while the kids were playing basketball. If I were one of those sponsors I would be not happy.

I think that it is nice to have vocals for the National Anthem, but why not use the band once in a while. The promotion games are not very promotional, as people are losing interest. I am sure that the department makes money from these fun and games, but they are becoming tiring. The only thing good is that one can go to restroom or refreshment stand as I know that I am not missing anything. The dude who announces the promotional games has to plead for audience interaction with no positive results. I will say that the tire roll gets the most interaction by the fans.

I have been to several sites where no timeout promotions are used and there seems to be more excitement using bands, dance teams, cheerleaders and student interaction.

Let us see some format changes, please!

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 11:34:34 AM

There are tragedies almost every week. Certainly the school shooting was a bad one - but seriously, you could have a moment of silence every game for something that happened. A bad shooting in Iraq, a bank robbery where 5 were dead, a natural disaster that killed 100's, etc.

I think a moment of silence at a sporting event in Ohio should be reserved for something that is either a true national tragedy (i.e. 9/11) or something more local (i.e. if the shooting had occurred in Columbus).

It's certainly a tragedy for all involved, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I doubt it even crossed anyone's mind as something to do during the game - it didn't cross mine.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 12:03:45 PM

I think when the President of the United States orders flags at half staff it more than appropriate for this game. I'm hoping this message reaches McDavis before I contact his office...

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 12:20:57 PM

If flag at half-staff is the criteria, we would have had a moment of silence at about 15-20 events over the last several months. I'm not sure if I want a daily reminder of tragedy at OU sporting events.

Last Edited: 12/16/2012 2:31:44 PM by bobcat72

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 2:06:42 PM

bobcat72 wrote:

There are tragedies almost every week. Certainly the school shooting was a bad one - but seriously, you could have a moment of silence every game for something that happened. A bad shooting in Iraq, a bank robbery where 5 were dead, a natural disaster that killed 100's, etc.

I think a moment of silence at a sporting event in Ohio should be reserved for something that is either a true national tragedy (i.e. 9/11) or something more local (i.e. if the shooting had occurred in Columbus).

It's certainly a tragedy for all involved, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I doubt it even crossed anyone's mind as something to do during the game - it didn't cross mine.

Really? I can't remember ever reading such a cold hearted opinion on this board. As for all involved, a tragedy of this magnitude involves all of us on many levels - from the obvious topics of school security and gun control to the sometimes not so obvious behaviors of paying attention to all people on this earth and taking steps to help those who for whatever reason can't help themselves. I almost posted a topic after the first few posts after yesterday's game titled "Are we really complaining about this game" but I figured that common sense and decency would prevail in light of this most recent tragedy. At the risk of the pot calling the kettle black, let's all step back from this and focus on what is truly important - peace on earth and good will toward everyone.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 2:13:27 PM

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Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
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As well as if a manor of thine own
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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 2:30:17 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

Really? I can't remember ever reading such a cold hearted opinion on this board.

Not being cold-hearted at all. There are countless things on the news each week that leave me heartbroken...I think we all feel the same way. But I'm not sure it's any of our roles to decide which ones are worthy of a moment of silence.

Let's all keep the perspective that sports is sports, and just move on from this topic.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 4:13:40 PM

bobcat72 wrote:

Alan Swank wrote:

Really? I can't remember ever reading such a cold hearted opinion on this board.

Not being cold-hearted at all. There are countless things on the news each week that leave me heartbroken...I think we all feel the same way. But I'm not sure it's any of our roles to decide which ones are worthy of a moment of silence.

Let's all keep the perspective that sports is sports, and just move on from this topic.

The dead and their families will never know whether or not we had a moment of silence. It is a hollow and empty gesture, and ridiculous that anyone could be so outraged as our OP. Talk about having an axe to grind.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:17:46 PM

I agree with the post that Alan found heartless. It's really hard to know where to draw the line on this kind of thing. These killings in Connecticut are very sad, but I'm not up in arms that we didn't have a moment of silence. Did we have a moment of silence after the massacre in Norway a few years ago? Did we have a moment of silence for the victims of the Ft. Hood massacre? I'm sure every church in town said prayers today for the families and victims in Connecticut and that's very appropriate. I do agree with the general sentiments in Alan's last line.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 4:55:24 PM

Perhaps some talk about the real issue would be appropriate.

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 8:53:33 PM

Alan Swank wrote:

bobcat72 wrote:

There are tragedies almost every week. Certainly the school shooting was a bad one - but seriously, you could have a moment of silence every game for something that happened. A bad shooting in Iraq, a bank robbery where 5 were dead, a natural disaster that killed 100's, etc.

I think a moment of silence at a sporting event in Ohio should be reserved for something that is either a true national tragedy (i.e. 9/11) or something more local (i.e. if the shooting had occurred in Columbus).

It's certainly a tragedy for all involved, but you have to draw the line somewhere. I doubt it even crossed anyone's mind as something to do during the game - it didn't cross mine.

Really? I can't remember ever reading such a cold hearted opinion on this board. As for all involved, a tragedy of this magnitude involves all of us on many levels - from the obvious topics of school security and gun control to the sometimes not so obvious behaviors of paying attention to all people on this earth and taking steps to help those who for whatever reason can't help themselves. I almost posted a topic after the first few posts after yesterday's game titled "Are we really complaining about this game" but I figured that common sense and decency would prevail in light of this most recent tragedy. At the risk of the pot calling the kettle black, let's all step back from this and focus on what is truly important - peace on earth and good will toward everyone.

Agreed, if the murder of 20 children, killed in the manner in which they were is not a national tragedy than I am not sure what would qualify. An example of one of this countries problems is the growing cold heartedness of some of our citizens. Very sad that you have this type of an opinion.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 8:55:40 PM

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I agree with the post that Alan found heartless. It's really hard to know where to draw the line on this kind of thing. These killings in Connecticut are very sad, but I'm not up in arms that we didn't have a moment of silence. Did we have a moment of silence after the massacre in Norway a few years ago? Did we have a moment of silence for the victims of the Ft. Hood massacre? I'm sure every church in town said prayers today for the families and victims in Connecticut and that's very appropriate. I do agree with the general sentiments in Alan's last line.

This from a man who makes a public ass out of himself because the Athletic Department did not have a shuttle to take him to the Bowl Game last year. Priorities!

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Posted: 12/16/2012 9:01:39 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

OhioCatFan wrote:

I agree with the post that Alan found heartless. It's really hard to know where to draw the line on this kind of thing. These killings in Connecticut are very sad, but I'm not up in arms that we didn't have a moment of silence. Did we have a moment of silence after the massacre in Norway a few years ago? Did we have a moment of silence for the victims of the Ft. Hood massacre? I'm sure every church in town said prayers today for the families and victims in Connecticut and that's very appropriate. I do agree with the general sentiments in Alan's last line.

This from a man who makes a public ass out of himself because the Athletic Department did not have a shuttle to take him to the Bowl Game last year. Priorities!

What the heck are you trying to say, Man? Can you not actually read what I said? You are not my judge and you have no idea what compassion I may or may not have. My sentiments on this moment of silence issue does not make me any more or less of a compassionate person. Can you disagree with someone without calling them an ass? Are you trying to be some kind of a CyberBully? If so, you're not in Bobcal Love's league. You're a real minor leaguer. For the record, the shuttle bus comment was something my wife said at the MACC not at a bowl game. You can't even insult anyone in an accurate fashion. Pathetic!

Last Edited: 12/16/2012 9:09:15 PM by OhioCatFan

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RE: OU - No moment of silence...embarrassment for University

Posted: 12/16/2012 9:51:54 PM

OCF, I agree with your sentiments as well. I do not like how our news media makes some tragedies seem as though they have more "value" than others. The shooting was an absolute atrocity and brought my wife and I to tears when we heard about it. Sadly, though, it's one of the many such atrocities that have occurred this year.

I think it's pretty out-of-bounds to criticize the athletic department for not holding a moment of silence. We have not held many over the years...last one I remember was after the death of an OU student several years ago. I don't know whether there was a conscious decision made on whether or not one would be observed...but I'm OK with that either way. Personally, I would guess that the rationale is much more simplistic: no one thought to do it. No one in our group at the game thought about it at the time either.

What about the Benghazi terror attack? Or the shooting at the Wisconsin temple? Both occurred earlier this fall. I'm not sure where you draw the line on deciding to hold a moment of silence, but one could argue that those incidents were also worthy.

Say a prayer for the victims tonight. Peace on earth and goodwill to all.

Last Edited: 12/16/2012 9:55:57 PM by catfan28

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Posted: 12/16/2012 10:03:44 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Agreed, if the murder of 20 children, killed in the manner in which they were is not a national tragedy than I am not sure what would qualify. An example of one of this countries problems is the growing cold heartedness of some of our citizens. Very sad that you have this type of an opinion.

In today's world, we average 2-3 national tragedies a month. There are so many sad stories that I can't stand to watch the news most nights.

I don't think the nation is growing cold-hearted, it's just that there's too much tragedy to shoulder. I hate say it, but as a society we have become more "immune" to these sorts of things. It's gotten to the point where it's not even shocking anymore. I pray for a world someday when this is not the case.

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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:16:00 PM

It's late but this is a topic that gets me fired up so I'll compromise with myself and just copy what I wrote on my Facebook about this topic.

The short version: most here and around the country do not actually care about these kids.

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"Yesterday, I kid you not, YESTERDAY:

A 36 year old Chinese man stabbed 22 children at the Chenpeng Village Primary School. (Henan, China)

We can draw two conclusions from this incident:

1. A man who is trying to kill school children will use any weapon he sees fit. Be that a gun, a knife, a bow and arrow, a rock.

2. Most American's hearts did not break for these Chinese children, their famili

es. Most people who now are reading about this for the first time still don't care (I mean actually care). Because it's a world away and that's okay.

We have to draw the line on things we care about. Because we have to make decisions. What I'm asking you to do is evaluate where that line actually is to you. Do you care about every kid that dies worldwide? Do you care about only the ones murdered? Or that have cancer? Do you only care about the ones that die in an unfortunate manner in your country? State? City? Immediate family?

Once you draw that line, live it. Caring is doing. There is no caring without action. There is no apology that holds its weight unaccompanied by a worthy gesture.

So the kids in China that were stabbed yesterday, or the kids in America who were shot. If you care about them. If they are on the caring side of your line. Live it. Go console their loved ones like you would your own. Go make a difference. Go make the world the place you want to live in. The world where people care about what you care about.

Caring is doing. You can say you care, but only if you take action to support your claim."

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So to tie that into this specific topic:

I ask you, if you literally care, is having a moment of silence really the worthy gesture? Or are you just feigning interest?

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Posted: 12/16/2012 11:20:31 PM

catfan28 wrote:

In today's world, we average 2-3 national tragedies a month. There are so many sad stories that I can't stand to watch the news most nights.

I don't think the nation is growing cold-hearted, it's just that there's too much tragedy to shoulder. I hate say it, but as a society we have become more "immune" to these sorts of things. It's gotten to the point where it's not even shocking anymore. I pray for a world someday when this is not the case.

It's not just "today's world," bad things have happened throughout time. More humans on earth and a ton more media coverage is the only different "today's world" has when compared to the past.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 12:59:26 AM

Those Chinese children did not die. And being stabbed and shot up close several times with a .223 is another issue. This WAS a NATIONAL TRAGEDY.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 8:03:58 AM

There's no question that this was a national tragedy, magnified by the time of year it occurred. But whether it was a conscious decision to not have a moment of silence or just an oversight, the embarrassment factor is in the eye of the beholder. It all depends on how you handle these types of these things. Some people seem to need to be immersed in it as a means of trying to understand or to grieve. Others tend to distance themselves to avoid being too depressed about it. It's a matter of coping. I held my son tighter when I got home Friday night but didn't need to watch all the news coverage or read the newspaper and internet stories. Maybe it's because I covered enough of these types of stories when I was a reporter and found it easier to do my job if I kept my distance emotionally. So I don't see it as that embarrassing. I went to a movie Saturday, and there was no moment of remembrance before the show, and nobody there thought anything about it. Like movies, sports is escapism for a lot of people, to get away from life for a couple of hours. I wonder how many people at the game Saturday even thought about it.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 1:25:59 PM

Whether you agree with an observation or not, it's disturbing to me that free thinking people would waste even a minute of their time arguing against such a thing when all that is asked is a MOMENT of your time to show empathy with people just like you suffering from extreme, undue violence and sorrow. That's all.

We're not talking about any infringement on your rights or personal enjoyment of an event. It's merely a request.

Maybe it's easier to be more callous if you've never marveled at the innocence and trust in the eyes of your own tender aged child, but I really don't see how.

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Posted: 12/17/2012 1:58:46 PM

I don't think any poster here said they would have objected to a moment of silence on Saturday, just that they weren't outraged at the lack of one.

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