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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/17/2024 4:17:29 PM 
With the constant change in conference realignment continuing, I知 wondering again if MAC teams will ever be involved. Pretty much the only remaining geographical based conference remaining , the MAC has other than a brief dance with WKU and MTSU and more recently UMASS, nothing much seems to be happening.
I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.

I know that this has been discussed many times, but recent changes in NIL, athlete payment, recent team switches may bring up more discussion points to consider.
Any thoughts from folks on here about the likelihood of gaining or losing a few members schools?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/17/2024 9:12:41 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
With the constant change in conference realignment continuing, I知 wondering again if MAC teams will ever be involved. Pretty much the only remaining geographical based conference remaining , the MAC has other than a brief dance with WKU and MTSU and more recently UMASS, nothing much seems to be happening.
I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.

I know that this has been discussed many times, but recent changes in NIL, athlete payment, recent team switches may bring up more discussion points to consider.
Any thoughts from folks on here about the likelihood of gaining or losing a few members schools?


So, if we invest heavily right now, you think we can make? Back2 Back 10 win seasons, two bowl wins. We have to be in the discussion. Add in that we are the State school and have an entire region we can build from the grass roots.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/17/2024 10:06:08 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
With the constant change in conference realignment continuing, I知 wondering again if MAC teams will ever be involved. Pretty much the only remaining geographical based conference remaining , the MAC has other than a brief dance with WKU and MTSU and more recently UMASS, nothing much seems to be happening.
I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.

I know that this has been discussed many times, but recent changes in NIL, athlete payment, recent team switches may bring up more discussion points to consider.
Any thoughts from folks on here about the likelihood of gaining or losing a few members schools?


So, if we invest heavily right now, you think we can make? Back2 Back 10 win seasons, two bowl wins. We have to be in the discussion. Add in that we are the State school and have an entire region we can build from the grass roots.


Can you ever be serious ?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/17/2024 10:17:31 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:

I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.



I presume you're meaning NIU and Buffalo. I wouldn't sell Toledo short in this regard. They have a solid football program year in and year out and their b-ball program is always one to be reckoned with. Now that the NIT doesn't automatically take conference champs that don't win their conference tourney, the MAC is largely going to be a one-bid post-season b-ball conference. This might schools like Toledo not only attractive to a conference like the American, but make the schools more willing to move on.

But a drawback for the MAC schools is that the current thinking among larger conferences is to have more of a presence in "football havens," mainly Texas and Florida. That's one reason why SMU -- instead of Oregon St and/or Wash St -- is now in the ACC. And it's why teams like North Texas, UTSA, Rice, and FAU were involved in the last reshuffling of conferences. Most conference heads don't consider Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana and New York to be football havens.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/18/2024 2:38:22 AM 
Hard to imagine that there would be any upside to anyone adding a MAC team to their conference due to having limited fan bases, nothing much in the way of money outside of MACtion revenue, or having a history of effectively winning out against the big guys, though we have certainly had our moments, such as Northern Illinois just getting done upsetting Notre Dame. I think that it is more likely that we attract programs like Youngstown State, Northern Iowa, and, perhaps, even Western Kentucky would see the error of their ways when it came to backing off of the MAC and thus reconsider having done so. Marshall, UCF, Temple, and UMass have all basically thumbed their noses at us, and I still don稚 completely understand why WKU and MTSU backed off of joining the Conference. Unless Southeastern Ohio becomes the next Silicon Valley (which is not likely), I would say that we will remain MAC members for a long, long time to come.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/18/2024 8:27:46 AM 
UMass thumbed their noses at us? How so?

MTSU's president is notorious for ALMOST entering into deals and then demanding an additional benefit. He did that to the MAC and they told him to pound salt. Unfortunately, WKU was uncomfortable joining us without MTSU. (WKU warned MAC presidents that MTSU president and AD were snakes.)

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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/18/2024 10:35:54 AM 
SBH wrote:


MTSU's president is notorious for ALMOST entering into deals and then demanding an additional benefit. He did that to the MAC and they told him to pound salt. Unfortunately, WKU was uncomfortable joining us without MTSU. (WKU warned MAC presidents that MTSU president and AD were snakes.)



Good information. Thanks.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/18/2024 12:29:35 PM 
Maddog13 wrote:
SBH wrote:


MTSU's president is notorious for ALMOST entering into deals and then demanding an additional benefit. He did that to the MAC and they told him to pound salt. Unfortunately, WKU was uncomfortable joining us without MTSU. (WKU warned MAC presidents that MTSU president and AD were snakes.)



Good information. Thanks.


From what I heard at the time, WKU would have still joined without MTSU, but the MACDaddies wanted them as a package deal or not at all.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/19/2024 1:18:22 PM 
Keep an eye on what happens in the AAC. Losing Memphis and Tulane (and possibly others) might be detrimental to that league's future. Makes me think the UMass add was a strategic one and Temple could be back in play. For as dumb as the MAC has been in some aspects, they along with the Sun Belt have stuck to their identities: regional conferences with minimal travel.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/19/2024 4:38:16 PM 
colobobcat66 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
With the constant change in conference realignment continuing, I知 wondering again if MAC teams will ever be involved. Pretty much the only remaining geographical based conference remaining , the MAC has other than a brief dance with WKU and MTSU and more recently UMASS, nothing much seems to be happening.
I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.

I know that this has been discussed many times, but recent changes in NIL, athlete payment, recent team switches may bring up more discussion points to consider.
Any thoughts from folks on here about the likelihood of gaining or losing a few members schools?


So, if we invest heavily right now, you think we can make? Back2 Back 10 win seasons, two bowl wins. We have to be in the discussion. Add in that we are the State school and have an entire region we can build from the grass roots.


Can you ever be serious ?


I am. You really think that OHIO would be a target without a serious upgrade to facilities?
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colobobcat66
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  Message Not Read  RE: Conference Realignment-will MAC teams get involved
   Posted: 9/19/2024 4:45:24 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
colobobcat66 wrote:
With the constant change in conference realignment continuing, I知 wondering again if MAC teams will ever be involved. Pretty much the only remaining geographical based conference remaining , the MAC has other than a brief dance with WKU and MTSU and more recently UMASS, nothing much seems to be happening.
I would think that there are perhaps 2 members who have the most potential to move on (neither is Ohio in my mind). There may be others that I知 missing though based on market size, etc.

I know that this has been discussed many times, but recent changes in NIL, athlete payment, recent team switches may bring up more discussion points to consider.
Any thoughts from folks on here about the likelihood of gaining or losing a few members schools?


So, if we invest heavily right now, you think we can make? Back2 Back 10 win seasons, two bowl wins. We have to be in the discussion. Add in that we are the State school and have an entire region we can build from the grass roots.


Can you ever be serious ?


I am. You really think that OHIO would be a target without a serious upgrade to facilities?

We池e not in any discussion that I致e seen and it痴 not because of facilities.
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