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Kinggeorge4
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  Sticky Topic - Message Not Read  Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 10:04:04 AM 
Now that we have our head coach, who will stay or go? Any new asst. coaches coming?

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RufusCat09
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 10:29:04 AM 
I could see Hauser going to Charlotte based on his close / personal connection with Albin.

On the flipside, I hope new WR coach Allen stays. It appears he had some connection to Smith in the past.

We shall see.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 10:35:42 AM 
If you are in Orlando, you can watch them all go to Universal Studios, participate in charity events, coach in the bowl game and all head back to Athens TOGETHER.

After that, who knows.

Maybe we should just enjoy the next few days 😎
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 1:48:21 PM 
RufusCat09 wrote:
I could see Hauser going to Charlotte based on his close / personal connection with Albin..


Offer him enough money that Charlotte/Albin can't afford to match.

Jeff Johnson '67, Albuquerque, New Mexico
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Bobcat1996
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 2:58:00 PM 
If the administration offers Coach Hauser a huge contract that would be another knife in Coach Albins back when he was advocating to get a few of his assistants better pay and multi year deals. One more slap in the face for the National semifinalist Coach of the year and Two time MAC coach of the year and one of only five coaches to win ten games three consecutive seasons! Oh yeah you all keep thinking that the administration had zero to do with Coach Albin departing. Look at the awards this man has achieved the last few years and tell me he shouldn’t have been valued or appreciated. Congrats to Coach Smith and happy the job stayed in house! That is the only good decision this administrator has made the last several weeks.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/18/2024 3:21:00 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
If the administration offers Coach Hauser a huge contract that would be another knife in Coach Albins back when he was advocating to get a few of his assistants better pay and multi year deals. One more slap in the face for the National semifinalist Coach of the year and Two time MAC coach of the year and one of only five coaches to win ten games three consecutive seasons! Oh yeah you all keep thinking that the administration had zero to do with Coach Albin departing. Look at the awards this man has achieved the last few years and tell me he shouldn’t have been valued or appreciated. Congrats to Coach Smith and happy the job stayed in house! That is the only good decision this administrator has made the last several weeks.


If everything you say is true, it's also true that Albin made a bad move. If he hadn't signed the UNCC contract when he did, he could still be at OHIO earning over a million bucks a year. He just needed to hold them off for a few days. Not knowing that he had signed, the OHIO prez went public with a statement that we'd match their offer. Now Tim will suffer from his rash decision. I like Tim, but decisions of this type have consequences, and I'm all for OHIO offering the assistants enough to keep them in Athens and not Charlotte. Timing is everything, and unfortunately, the dog got sick at the wrong time!

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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 10:36:07 AM 
From a career perspective, it makes more sense for Hauser to accept a decent raise in Athens (maybe new title: associate HC) where his D should have another stellar year in 2025 rather than chase a bigger pay bump but a frustrating couple of rebuilding years in Charlotte.

I suspect TA is wondering what he's gotten himself into.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 10:53:08 AM 
SBH wrote:
From a career perspective, it makes more sense for Hauser to accept a decent raise in Athens (maybe new title: associate HC) where his D should have another stellar year in 2025 rather than chase a bigger pay bump but a frustrating couple of rebuilding years in Charlotte.

I suspect TA is wondering what he's gotten himself into.


As my thinking about this soap opera evolves as more information comes out and I have more time to think about it, it seems we may have a "cut off your nose to spite your face" scenario. In my own personal experience, decisions made in anger often have this outcome. I suspect Tim would handle this differently if he had it all to do over again.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 2:55:04 PM 
OCF- would you want to stay with your employer if you were not valued? Would you want to continue working with someone who didn’t treat you with respect? If you started negotiations with your employer in the summer and kept being shoved to the back burner five months later after accomplishing something unprecedented in school history, how would you feel? Would you stay around? If you had an agent and the agent wasn’t permitted in contract discussions, how would you feel? If you gave your employer notice about another job offer and they kept putting you off after you already turned down a previous offer double your salary, how would you feel? If you worked at a place for 20 years and got treated like that, maybe you would want to leave also?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 3:47:02 PM 
You're the agent, right?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 4:09:47 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
OCF- would you want to stay with your employer if you were not valued? Would you want to continue working with someone who didn’t treat you with respect? If you started negotiations with your employer in the summer and kept being shoved to the back burner five months later after accomplishing something unprecedented in school history, how would you feel? Would you stay around? If you had an agent and the agent wasn’t permitted in contract discussions, how would you feel? If you gave your employer notice about another job offer and they kept putting you off after you already turned down a previous offer double your salary, how would you feel? If you worked at a place for 20 years and got treated like that, maybe you would want to leave also?


I’ve been critical of Julie in the past, perhaps unfairly at times, but I will say refusing to deal with an agent is a feather in her cap, in my book. You deal directly with the employee, not through a third-party. Was Tim unable to articulate his salary demands personally? And, the offer the prez made, though too late, indicates they valued Tim more than he apparently thought. Perhaps, Tim is too thin-skinned. Kind of looks that way to me.

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Bobcat1996
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 4:58:10 PM 
Not dealing with an agent should not be a feather in her cap. When she departs for another job she will deal with agents. Guessing she had to deal with agents at Arkansas. If she didn’t want to deal with agents then she shouldn’t have been an AD.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 5:20:41 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
OCF- would you want to stay with your employer if you were not valued? Would you want to continue working with someone who didn’t treat you with respect? If you started negotiations with your employer in the summer and kept being shoved to the back burner five months later after accomplishing something unprecedented in school history, how would you feel? Would you stay around? If you had an agent and the agent wasn’t permitted in contract discussions, how would you feel? If you gave your employer notice about another job offer and they kept putting you off after you already turned down a previous offer double your salary, how would you feel? If you worked at a place for 20 years and got treated like that, maybe you would want to leave also?


This is like the 11th time you've made the exact same points. They've failed to persuade anybody here, and in fact, you actually seem to have done more harm than good, and people who were initially suspicious of Cromer's handling seem more inclined to point the finger towards Albin now.

My advice would be to give it up, my man. You clearly really like Tim Albin, and seem to have a personal relationship with him. Your posts here are not helping his reputation around here, and there's just not a very convincing narrative to support the fact that Cromer drove him out of town. I feel for the guy, because it seems pretty clear he left town without even accepting the best job he was offered, and took business personally. Feels an awful lot like he overplayed his hand here.

Personally, I'm pretty excited about Brian Smith and like that we've built a program with a next man up mentality, and infrastructure that feels likely to hold up across multiple stewards. I think a lot of folks agree, and that in the end Albin may regret this choice. That those close to him seem to have adopted a party line of "he was forced into this" leads me to believe he already may.

The bottom line is that he could have stayed. He didn't. Onward and upward. Time to turn the page.

Last Edited: 12/19/2024 5:21:34 PM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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JimLurker34
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 6:04:22 PM 
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Not dealing with an agent should not be a feather in her cap. When she departs for another job she will deal with agents. Guessing she had to deal with agents at Arkansas. If she didn’t want to deal with agents then she shouldn’t have been an AD.


I agree with OCF here, because I'm the type who sells a home on his own and doesn't pay a real estate agent.

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OhioCatFan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/19/2024 6:40:51 PM 
JimLurker34 wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
Not dealing with an agent should not be a feather in her cap. When she departs for another job she will deal with agents. Guessing she had to deal with agents at Arkansas. If she didn’t want to deal with agents then she shouldn’t have been an AD.


I agree with OCF here, because I'm the type who sells a home on his own and doesn't pay a real estate agent.


Well, I have to admit that I've used a real estate agent to sell a home several times. Sometimes you get enough more for your house through an agent to pay for agent's fee. However, I don't see the analogy here. A college football coach should be able to deal directly with his employer. I've never liked the idea of agents being involved in college sports. I'm very anti-agent in this context.

I guess I'll have to agree to disagree with Bobcat1996 on this issue. I just wish more schools would take this approach and drive all these agents to the unemployment line.

The fact that players have agents these days is a harder nut to crack, since the NCAA has been stripped of all of its power to regulate this type of activity.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/20/2024 10:48:32 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
Bobcat1996 wrote:
OCF- would you want to stay with your employer if you were not valued? Would you want to continue working with someone who didn’t treat you with respect? If you started negotiations with your employer in the summer and kept being shoved to the back burner five months later after accomplishing something unprecedented in school history, how would you feel? Would you stay around? If you had an agent and the agent wasn’t permitted in contract discussions, how would you feel? If you gave your employer notice about another job offer and they kept putting you off after you already turned down a previous offer double your salary, how would you feel? If you worked at a place for 20 years and got treated like that, maybe you would want to leave also?


This is like the 11th time you've made the exact same points. They've failed to persuade anybody here, and in fact, you actually seem to have done more harm than good, and people who were initially suspicious of Cromer's handling seem more inclined to point the finger towards Albin now.

My advice would be to give it up, my man. You clearly really like Tim Albin, and seem to have a personal relationship with him. Your posts here are not helping his reputation around here, and there's just not a very convincing narrative to support the fact that Cromer drove him out of town. I feel for the guy, because it seems pretty clear he left town without even accepting the best job he was offered, and took business personally. Feels an awful lot like he overplayed his hand here.

Personally, I'm pretty excited about Brian Smith and like that we've built a program with a next man up mentality, and infrastructure that feels likely to hold up across multiple stewards. I think a lot of folks agree, and that in the end Albin may regret this choice. That those close to him seem to have adopted a party line of "he was forced into this" leads me to believe he already may.

The bottom line is that he could have stayed. He didn't. Onward and upward. Time to turn the page.


Print this on a tee shirt.

Bobcat1996 wrote:
OCF- would you want to stay with your employer if you were not valued? Would you want to continue working with someone who didn’t treat you with respect? If you started negotiations with your employer in the summer and kept being shoved to the back burner five months later after accomplishing something unprecedented in school history, how would you feel? Would you stay around?


I cannot believe we are still doing this, BUT I want to get this out there.

If you were an employer and you renegotiated an extension and a raise quite literally a few months prior, how would you feel? Go to your manager after a raise and tell them you decided you need more NOW.

If you're a new President, would you want to set the precedent that you're being forced into a new negotiation every few months? What you say he accomplished unprecedented in school history - came after he already accepted the new role. That's been made clear. So what are you still yapping about? That they didn't go back to the table a few weeks earlier, just because other people also got raises at the beginning of the season? His raise was coming. All he had to do was wait. Instead he took the first job offer, because he wasn't confident in waiting. We all agree he needed paid better than the 6th or whatever it was by the end of this season. What I do not agree with is you extend your extension mid-season when you're hardly killing it. That's what you're suggesting. That they role out a $1M salary after getting molly whopped at UK? Losing to Miami again? I absolutely do not fault anyone at OU for "shoving it to the back burner" while he was 4-3. Prove it on the field, then get your raise. He accepted a new job before he proved it on the field.

To keep suggesting they steadfastly would not negotiate with him is stupid. Because they did. Again, literally months prior.

The bottom line is that he could have stayed. He didn't. Onward and upward. Time to turn the page.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/20/2024 12:12:54 PM 
John Hauser staying as DC while also getting promoted to associate head coach.
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 12:16:20 PM 
That’s huge.
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 1:03:56 PM 
John Hauser’s dog is not sick!
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 2:29:26 PM 
Mike Coleman wrote:
John Hauser’s dog is not sick!


DOGS ARE SECURED. LETS GO.
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 3:04:31 PM 
Bobcats1212 wrote:
John Hauser staying as DC while also getting promoted to associate head coach.


Great news for Ohio! Honestly, I would've taken this scenario in a second if you told me right after Tim Albin bolted.

Keep both your offensive and defensive minds in place and get a much younger head coach that the players seem to like.

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   Posted: 12/20/2024 4:39:38 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
Bobcats1212 wrote:
John Hauser staying as DC while also getting promoted to associate head coach.


Great news for Ohio! Honestly, I would've taken this scenario in a second if you told me right after Tim Albin bolted.

Keep both your offensive and defensive minds in place and get a much younger head coach that the players seem to like.


^ ^ ^ WHAT HE SAID ^ ^ ^
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 5:44:29 PM 
FormerMember wrote:
Bobcats1212 wrote:
John Hauser staying as DC while also getting promoted to associate head coach.


Great news for Ohio! Honestly, I would've taken this scenario in a second if you told me right after Tim Albin bolted.

Keep both your offensive and defensive minds in place and get a much younger head coach that the players seem to like.


Doggone right!!
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   Posted: 12/20/2024 5:50:00 PM 

 

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  Message Not Read  RE: Assistant Coach watch
   Posted: 12/20/2024 6:06:44 PM 
Ted Thompson wrote:
A season unmatched in https://twitter.com/OhioFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw history. 11+ wins. MAC Champs. Cure Bowl Champs. 3.00+ Team GPA. Excited to say that my family and I will be staying in Athens with Coach Brian Smith and the Bobcats!! https://t.co/WMqkSVKiw8&mdash ; Scott Isphording (@CoachIzzy1) https://twitter.com/CoachIzzy1/status/1870238589197459678...


Lots of healthy dogs left in Athens it seems!

Edit: Kind of Surprising to me Izzy hasn’t gotten a call from a P4 school after what he has done with the brothers Rourke and Parker this year.

Last Edited: 12/20/2024 6:15:12 PM by cbarber357
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