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  Message Not Read  Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 12:19:37 AM 
This ruling potentially, eventually, wipes out JUCO participation as a subtraction from NCAA eligibility. A lot to be decided here, but the creep is toward permanent college eligibility.

From OUr end, it would mean added eligibility for Bobcats like Marcel Walker-Burgess, Tank Pearson, Max Rodarte, and Nick Poulos, to name a few.

https://sports.yahoo.com/diego-pavia-court-ruling-another...
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 9:17:07 AM 
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.

Last Edited: 12/19/2024 9:59:36 AM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 11:34:19 AM 
Mike Coleman wrote:
This ruling potentially, eventually, wipes out JUCO participation as a subtraction from NCAA eligibility. A lot to be decided here, but the creep is toward permanent college eligibility.

From OUr end, it would mean added eligibility for Bobcats like Marcel Walker-Burgess, Tank Pearson, Max Rodarte, and Nick Poulos, to name a few.

https://sports.yahoo.com/diego-pavia-court-ruling-another...


Not mentioned in the article:

Since the ruling, Vandy has gotten portal commits from guys at Alabama, Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, etc. Whatever they spent on the law firm that pulled this coup off...it will be pocket change compared to the gains.

With road games at Bama, Texas, Tennessee...they do get a slice of that $$, ??
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 5:22:27 PM 
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 6:19:05 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
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Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.

I agree that no eligibility makes sense, since it really is pro football now. Keeping eligibility, but not counting JUCO years against eligibility would send a lot kids to JUCO. JUCO could become like Prep schools, factories for FBS, but with college level courses rather than high school level.

Mike Coleman wrote:
... From OUr end, it would mean added eligibility for Bobcats like Marcel Walker-Burgess, Tank Pearson, Max Rodarte, and Nick Poulos, to name a few. ...

A few others, just from 2024, are Hale, Shumpert, Maldonado, Lemus, and Bob

Last Edited: 12/19/2024 6:26:40 PM by L.C.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 6:36:34 PM 
I totally understand why and expected lots of NCAA rules to not hold up in court. I do not understand this one at all. I would understand the reasoning if they said anyone can play as long as they want. But this ruling makes no sense at all to me. What if I say even though I played in FBS I wasn't good enough to receive any money my freshman year to get NIL money so I deserve another year? That makes just as much sense. Most D1 athletes across most sports don't get any NIL at all as far as I thought. But then would you accept $100 if it meant losing eligibility while $0 was essentially a redshirt no matter how much you played? I am not a lawyer but I don't see how there is no way to apply consistent legal reasoning except saying playing college football couts as a year of playing college football no matter how much you were paid or else everyone can play forever.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/19/2024 6:53:22 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 7:34:44 AM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 8:52:31 AM 
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html



Very interesting, but I’m neither shocked nor surprised. I wonder in the game tomorrow if UT or O$U will have more scholars of this caliber. I still remember Andy Katzenmoyer, who took kindergarten-level classes to regain his eligibility at the Big Farm in Cowtown. But, the direction we are moving in will make even the pretense of academics passé.

Last Edited: 12/20/2024 9:03:23 AM by OhioCatFan

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 2:36:36 PM 
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html



We’ve had our share of fake students. Every place has them.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 5:55:19 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html



We’ve had our share of fake students. Every place has them.


Name names? I know we've had some very bad students. I'm not aware of any fake students, as in ringers who never went to class or weren't even enrolled.

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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 10:20:19 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html



We’ve had our share of fake students. Every place has them.


Name names? I know we've had some very bad students. I'm not aware of any fake students, as in ringers who never went to class or weren't even enrolled.



Name me a BIG time player at a P4 who was never enrolled! As for naming names of Bobcats, not going to do that, I know many of them. Just saying glass houses. But if you don’t think we haven’t had players in remedial classes to stay eligible,you are fooling yourself.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Diego Pavia receives injunction
   Posted: 12/20/2024 11:49:15 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
greencat wrote:
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
L.C. wrote:
It fits, I guess, with the elimination of walkon programs. With FBS schools dropping roster sizes to 105, and all of them on scholarship, what is to become of the ones who don't earn scholarships? Now they can move their walkon careers over to JUCO, and not even lose eligibility. I've been wondering what would become of those 2-3000 athletes, now paying their own way at universities. The loss of 20-30 tuition-paying student-athletes will put a dent in Ohio's budgets, but only a small one. For the 100 or so schools that play JUCO football, an extra 30 people paying tuition could be a big help. Now, in addition to the academically ineligible stars, they will have a bunch of hard-working walkon-type players. I see this as a big boon for places like Hocking College. Now we know one of the places where players who go into the portal, and get no offers, will end up.

Now, I have another question. Will they have to extend this ruling to Division III? Division II? FCS? If not, all those kids being lured to Division III based on the idea of extending the dream will end up in JUCO, and those Division III schools will no longer get that extra flow of students and tuition.


Don’t think so, as part of the ruling was because JUCO is not under the NCAA banner and hence could not control those years.

We are headed with the direct pay method coming next year to no eligibility, because eligibility will infringe upon earning potential.


As I said in another recent post, why do they even have to attend class? I remember one BA poster back when all NIL crap was being hatched said he expected eventually in Columbus it would be, something like, "The OSU Buckeye football team sponsored by the Ohio State University NIL Cooperative." In other words, a wholly separate corporate entity affiliated with, but not part of, the university. So, no actual enrollment in the school would be necessary. I thought it far-fetched at the time, but now it seems the direction we are headed. IMHO, this a train wreck waiting to happen.


Big corrupt football programs with fake students is far from new.

quote:
"I have learn a lot of the things about Madommon thought her videos, hearing to her music and Magizines Articiles people wrote about her. Both in positives and negivites ways. They should not be a double standard for men and women. Because if they are double videos, they could be Double standard everywhere."

https://www.espn.com/ncaa/s/2003/1006/1632218.html



We’ve had our share of fake students. Every place has them.


Name names? I know we've had some very bad students. I'm not aware of any fake students, as in ringers who never went to class or weren't even enrolled.



Name me a BIG time player at a P4 who was never enrolled! As for naming names of Bobcats, not going to do that, I know many of them. Just saying glass houses. But if you don’t think we haven’t had players in remedial classes to stay eligible,you are fooling yourself.


In context, I was talking about the possible re-introducton of ringers to college football as we go down what I perceive as the current slippery slope to totally professional football only loosely affiliated with their university. I wasn't saying that there were any current ringers, just a projection of the future possibility. I think I misconstrued your use of the term "fake" students as meaning "ringers." I guess you just meant students of questionable academic performance who were in remedial classes, etc. Yes, I know we've had academically questionable football players here. My wife had some very good students who were football players in her English classes, and some who as one assistant coach told her on the phone, "were not too smart even for a football player." She did say that once Solich became coach the academic quality of the football players she had in class started to noticeably improve.

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