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BillyTheCat
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GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/20/2024 10:39:49 PM

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

El Gato Roberto
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Posted: 12/20/2024 10:57:02 PM

They were crushed by O$U. Barely beat Michigan and didn�t play Oregon, Penn State or Illinois. They crushed FIU, Western Illinois and Charlotte. In the Big Ten they walked all over Purdue, Michigan State, Nebraska, Northwestern, Washington, UCLA, and Maryland. They are paper tigers. The playoff criteria needs to be tweaked�a Lot. Conferences all way too big.

Last Edited: 12/20/2024 11:12:05 PM by El Gato Roberto

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/20/2024 11:15:12 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

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Posted: 12/20/2024 11:18:02 PM

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

I don�t think he�s taking a shot. Indiana is not a playoff team. They proved it today. It doesn�t mean I don�t like Rourke. He�s a good player. His team got in the big dance by virtue of an easy schedule. They got waxed tonight. No agenda here. My daughter is a Hoosier. I was rooting for them. Just facing a hard truth.

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Posted: 12/20/2024 11:18:17 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

Channeling your inner-Monroe, eh?

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Posted: 12/20/2024 11:24:06 PM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Bullshit. He took a shot at Rourke on another post as well. His post was at Rourke, not the team. He has an axe to grind, which is weird for an old man.

L.C.
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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/20/2024 11:57:16 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

They beat Michigan, who is 7-5, as well as both Nebraska and Washington, both of whom are 6-6, but have a bowl remaining, and could end up 7-6. Yes, I've pointed out that Indiana had an unusually easy schedule, and missed most of the teams in the top have of the Big 10/18. That's the problem with having such a big conference.

Last Edited: 12/21/2024 8:00:21 AM by L.C.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 12:03:25 AM

It�s possible to like Kurtis and think Cignetti is a tool.

Btw�he got his mid-season extension has now been blown out of two of last three games. IU is on the hook for $81 million. Hope it works out.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 7:52:50 AM

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

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Posted: 12/21/2024 7:53:18 AM

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Exactly

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Posted: 12/21/2024 9:04:05 AM

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

El Gato Roberto wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Bullshit. He took a shot at Rourke on another post as well. His post was at Rourke, not the team. He has an axe to grind, which is weird for an old man.

So Mr Clarivoiant, tell me what I�m doing right now? The only one angry here is you and I have not taken a shot at Rourke. But you can feel free to spew your own hate

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Posted: 12/21/2024 9:07:01 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Exactly! In those two games they scored 32 points, 22 of those points were inside the final 2 min of the game. And Cingrani got the weather he wanted and comes off like someone else said a tool

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/21/2024 9:45:23 AM

All this does is prove Indiana does not deserve the national championship. It does not prove they didn't deserve a spot in the CFP. Some other schools who shall remain nameless proved prior to the CFP that they don't deserve the national championship.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 10:14:09 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

It is also ok to point out that Kurtis Rourke has never won a big game in his entire career. Convince me I am wrong. Name a big game he won. I can name you several Parker Navarro won. Heck, I can gibe CJ Harris a big win.

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/21/2024 11:30:04 AM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

Iowa State, literally last year.

Victory
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Posted: 12/21/2024 11:48:17 AM

Herbstreit was arguing for the 12 BEST teams making the playoff instead of the 12 most deserving. I HATE this idea. The outcome of games should matter. If two teams are close at the ending and one is trying to punch it in to en end zone to win, like, say, Ohio State and Notre Dame last season, whether or not they get in SHOULD matter. Otherwise, why are we even watching at that point. The two teams have already proven that they were almost perfectly even on that day and one play is not going to change that hardly at all in the mind of an oddsmaker or anyone smart enough to make a rational estimation of who is actually better that who.

How good you are matters already fantastically more in college national tournaments than anywhere else. We don't ask the oddsmakers who should make the NFL playoffs. We didn't let Ohio State into the Big Ten championship because they would have been on paper an even matchup on paper with Oregon and Penn State wasn't. But it already matters in national tournaments but I would hate to see it become the only thing that matters. Winning games matters. Anything else just flies in the face of how we think about sports.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 11:55:19 AM

Victory wrote:

Why anyone wants a tournament that doesn�t take the best teams befuddles me. Look at basketball, winning games doesnt mean much if you are a mid. But in football people want them magically rewarded just for beating bad teams. Just my $.02

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RE: GOOGLE THIS

Posted: 12/21/2024 12:12:23 PM

Bobcat1998 wrote:

I'm not hear to knock anyone, but here are some hard numbers, using the ESPN QBR rating. Note that QBR adjusts for the difficulty of the foe. Reach whatever conclusions you wish:
Rourke:
For the year, Rourke averaged 84.5, #4 in the country
Three worst games: Ohio State=43.0, Michigan=47.7, FIU=48.4
Three best games: Charlotte=98.7, Western Illinois=98.3, UCLA 96.7
Critical games: Ohio State=43.0, ND=63.6

Navarro:
For they year: Navarro averaged 70.5, #37 in the country
Three worst games: Syracuse=16.4, Miami (1st game)=30.0, Morgan State 38.6
Three best games: Miami (MACC)=93.7, Ball State=92.7, Jacksonville St=86.7
Critical games: Miami (1st game)=30.0, Miami (MACC)=93.7

One could argue that all games after the Miami loss were critical.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 12:28:16 PM

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Victory wrote:

I think that you misunderstood what I am saying. I'm not saying strength of schedule shouldn't matter. In college you make your own schedule so it must matter. In the NFL the first question if how many games did you win. That can't be the first question in college. What should matter, IMO, is how many games SHOULD a playoff caliber team win against your schedule. I'm on record many times saying past football committees have over weighted SOS. I'm on record saying basketball analysts counting quality wins like it is only thing that matters screws over mids. If you have more quality opponents then the expectation is that you SHOULD have more quality wins. I'm also on record saying that this years committee did the opposite and didn't weight SOS enough.

What I am saying is the actual outcome of a close game should matter. If we are selecting the best teams and that is the only criteria then it obviously has almost no effect. If we lines up for a last second field goal to win the game then if they make that kick or not should affect their playoff chances. Oddsmakers get paid because they are the best at knowing what teams are actually better. Do you think an oddsmaker cares hardly at all about if that kick goes through? Really? Do you think that? Do you think that it SHOULD matter if it does?

I mean the outcome of these playoff games DOES matter. If SMU gets a whole lot of lucky bounces and beats Penn State we won't say that Penn State played better all year and SMU got some crazy bounces and got almost all of the 50/50 calls by the refs. It is obvious that Penn State is the better team and will give us a better matchup in the nest round so they advance. The outcome matters and, IMO, it SHOULD matter.

Last Edited: 12/21/2024 12:38:55 PM by Victory

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Posted: 12/21/2024 1:06:49 PM

Victory wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Victory wrote:

You mention SMU, yeah, for my $.02, I don�t think they belong either. But it is what it is and not my decision. So instead I�ll spend my day driving over watching it.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 1:20:06 PM

L.C. wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

They did have an easy schedule and it is arguable that because of that they didn't belong. But we certainly shouldn't look at all those wins against good but not great teams and say any playoff team could do it. Alabama, the team people most argue for, played 2 teams on that level, Vanderbilt and Oklahoma, and lost. You could argue that maybe Missouri, Auburn, and Wisconsin were and Alabama won those. I think Alabama is literally one of the best teams in the country. They would barely be an underdog against Oregon, Georgia, Texas, Penn State, Notre Dame, Ohio State or probably even favored against several of those teams. I definitely think the fact that Alabama was unable to consistently win games like that gave Indiana a better resume. While I am not going to personally argue for either team, as I have said above the resume pretty much has to be at least part of the equation, otherwise, what are we even doing?

Last Edited: 12/21/2024 2:14:58 PM by Victory

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Posted: 12/21/2024 2:05:05 PM

Victory wrote:

L.C. wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

South Carolina was en fuego the last half of the season.

Six consecutive wins that included
@ Oklahoma (who blew out Bama)
Blew out Texas A&M
Solid win @Vandy who beat Bama and Auburn
Beat Mizzou
Beat Clemson

What happened to how you finished the season, like in basketball?

I think South Carolina has a legit gripe. Bama finished weak, getting a horrific ass beating at Oklahama, as a 3 TD favorite getting held to 3 points.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 2:08:10 PM

I did not say that Indiana didn't belong. What I did say is that 18 teams is too big of a conference for only playing 9 games, because you are going to get some very uneven schedules. The MAC schedules were not exactly equal, but with only 12 teams, they weren't nearly as divergent as the Big Ten/18.

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Posted: 12/21/2024 3:43:35 PM

L.C. wrote:

Next year I believe IU dodges U of M and OSUthey do have Oregon and PSU. But check that Non-Conference schedule out!

ODU
Keenasaw State
Indiana State.

And I bet they aren�t paying anywhere near the magic Love number of $5million

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Posted: 12/21/2024 3:52:56 PM

cbarber357 wrote:

Bobcat1998 wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Kevin Finnegan wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

How many teams did Indiana beat with a winning record?

You seem like an unhappy and unpleasant human. All caps, no less. That�s an OHIO grad that you�re trying to take shots at.

Has nothing to do with Rourke. In fact proud of him. It Indiana was not that good

Iowa State, literally last year.

Bryce Houston, Keye Thompson and the defense. Literally last year.

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