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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/9/2023 3:22:49 PM 
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.
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GoCats105
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/9/2023 4:04:04 PM 
He was also a huge D-bag.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 6:48:41 AM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


That’s a great point. Maybe he was just a college star and nothing else. So what if people wanted to pay him? Give him a good start in life. We live in a free market system.
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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 9:49:23 AM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


More money probably would have made him worse, if we're being honest.

They had an entire money laundering scheme cooked up so he wouldn't get caught selling autographs.

"How are you gonna explain why you are wearing Rolexes, and driving new cars, and flying in private jets?"

A sure sign of who Johnny was dealing with - in very drug dealer fashion, these guys would get the best suites at the best hotels, fill it full of stuff to sign. Johnny would go to the rooms to stay with his friends. Eat/drink/booze for the weekend. When completed the brokers would give him the password to the safe. $30K inside. Then they would leave. $30K to go party for the weekend in Miami. And they did this all over the country.

To hide the transfer of money, Manziel said he would give his grandfather cash in exchange for a check that he would then deposit into his bank account.

He MIGHT have had a business manager, but I'd bet he would still have his friends working in similar positions. A faux-business "structure" that wouldn't have changed what Johnny did to make him Johnny Football. He didn't want to do anything that required you to be a professional.

Kingsbury said it 10 times in the first 10 minutes - we just turned him loose. He showed up to practice hungover... didn't matter, wouldn't be disciplined, bc he would light guys up in practice. He would do stupid thing after stupid thing and nobody ever cared - bc he could still perform. He never bothered to learn plays in his entire football career - bc he could make things up on the fly. Making money of your jersey isn't gonna make you read the playbook.

Last Edited: 8/10/2023 10:10:41 AM by M.D.W.S.T
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SBH
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 10:17:37 AM 
Which makes Kingsbury and the HC scumbags.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 12:47:32 PM 
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 12:57:24 PM 
Remember, he was a spoiled kid from a very wealthy family. His parents didn't do him any favors by raising him to believe he could get away with most anything because somebody would be there to bail him out. He probably still believes that.

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M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/10/2023 1:08:10 PM 
SBH wrote:
Which makes Kingsbury and the HC scumbags.


It was not a good look for KK. Pretty unfortunate, but every coach has a win right now mentality, especially at that level. Especially, as the OC when your whole offense depends on him.

Manziel got Kingsbury the head coaching job at Texas Tech. No doubt about that.

Kliff Kingsbury was the OC at Texas A&M for only ONE year in 2012. Manziel wins the Heisman and KK is off to the head coach at Texas Tech in 2013, with almost no coaching experience. Went from Quality Control Coach at Houston in 2009, to QB Coach in 2011, to TAMU OC, to Head Coach at TT.

Pataskala wrote:
Remember, he was a spoiled kid from a very wealthy family. His parents didn't do him any favors by raising him to believe he could get away with most anything because somebody would be there to bail him out. He probably still believes that.


He actually was not from a wealthy family. It was a story made up to cover him having so much money, and the money laundering itself. The documentary touches on that as well.

Apparently, his great grandpa had made some money in oil, but died pretty much broke.

Last Edited: 8/10/2023 1:14:24 PM by M.D.W.S.T
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/11/2023 12:02:53 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?


Great question. Seeking an answer.

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Kevin Finnegan
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/11/2023 12:46:17 PM 
OhioCatFan wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?


Great question. Seeking an answer.


It is a great question, and one I don't necessarily have an answer to. I believe players are allowed to have agents for their NIL contracts, right? That, I would hope, would be someone with some legal or legitimate background, not the friend that Johnny had hooking him up with nefarious individuals. I just wonder if making everything above-board eliminates a lot of the shady characters from players.

He had to hide the money. He had to launder the money. He had to lie about the money. He was meeting in back rooms for these deals. He probably wasn't getting much counsel, and also no financial advice because what he was doing was against NCAA regulations. If he had professionals surrounding him, would he have handled it any better? He still would've been a 20 year old kid who probably would've made the same decisions, but it sounds like he was pretty buttoned up in high school and then college put him into a tailspin that he's still recovering from.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/11/2023 3:48:20 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
He was also a huge D-bag.


The Netflix documentary basically confirms this, and would seem is more of an "is" vs. "was" statement.


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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/13/2023 5:49:22 PM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?


Who set up the deal for Texas's offensive line? The deal for Pitt? Probably not groupie friends, right?

Athletes are always gonna have hangers on. But there's no question that the NIL has given players access to far more legitimate options to make money.
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/14/2023 7:53:43 AM 
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?


Who set up the deal for Texas's offensive line? The deal for Pitt? Probably not groupie friends, right?

Athletes are always gonna have hangers on. But there's no question that the NIL has given players access to far more legitimate options to make money.


Never said their wasn't legitimate players. Just said, it's not like the bad element went to the unemployment line.
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Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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  Message Not Read  RE: Johnny Football and NIL
   Posted: 8/14/2023 9:27:41 AM 
BillyTheCat wrote:
Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame wrote:
BillyTheCat wrote:
Kevin Finnegan wrote:
Watched the Johnny Manziel documentary on Netflix. Very insightful and was interesting to remember that time where there was a kid who was burning brighter than the sun for a while. He was just unbelievable to watch. It was crazy to hear he was able to do all that with almost no prep work whatsoever in college. Came back to bite him obviously in the pros.

But, would his story have been any different with NIL money? Would the fact that he would have been making money above-board and maybe surrounded by professionals rather than groupie friends have changed his trajectory? Maybe it all ends the same way, but it's worth wondering if the old system was possibly his downfall.


You are assuming that NIL has pushed out the groupie friend sets and undesirable players. I would like to ask what you base that opinion on?


Who set up the deal for Texas's offensive line? The deal for Pitt? Probably not groupie friends, right?

Athletes are always gonna have hangers on. But there's no question that the NIL has given players access to far more legitimate options to make money.


Never said their wasn't legitimate players. Just said, it's not like the bad element went to the unemployment line.


In Johnny Manziel's case, he basically instantly cut his groupie friend out the moment he signed a pro contract.

Manziel was self-destructive and had obvious substance abuse issues. At one point in the doc, he admits that his plan was to blow through all of his money and then commit suicide. He tried, in fact. And even he chose to align himself with legitimate business advisors the moment that they were available to him.

Big athletes will have the "bad element" around them plenty, but in the prior system the bad element was the only option. When anti-NIL folks make the point that the "bad element" is still around, it feels like they're glossing over the part where they're suggesting giving that 'bad element' a monopoly on the business.

Last Edited: 8/14/2023 9:28:28 AM by Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame
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