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Author Message Kevin Finnegan General User Member Since: 2/4/2005 Location: Rockton, IL Post Count: 1,104 Status: Offline     At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 1:29:19 PM  Random thoughts: does a 5-7 season have us think that Albin may still be the answer? If he goes 0-12, does he return next year? Also, what would it take to get CJ Harris under center? Is that a reasonable hope for this year? Last Edited: 9/14/2021 1:29:35 PM by Kevin Finnegan Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,215 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 1:41:46 PM  What’s wrong with giving Harris or Armani a few series? I’m concerned about Meservy and Cox and what they did and when they will return? Was it a Court Street malfunction? I just don’t get it. Back to Top GoCats105 General User Member Since: 1/31/2006 Location: Seattle, WA Post Count: 6,991 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 1:56:59 PM  I'd be shocked if they became bowl eligible. Success to me would just be showing some type of proof of concept that this staff knows what the hell they're doing. It really doesn't even have to be a win-loss record necessarily. Just show me SOMETHING. Back to Top Andrew Ruck General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,796 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 2:54:43 PM  I'm hoping for 4 MAC wins including Miami. Andrew Ruck B.B.A. 2003 Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,348 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 2:55:44 PM  If there's any hope to be had, both Grobe and Knorr lost to fcs/1aa teams. Both those teams picked themselves up pretty well and finished "ok". Yes even the knorr team. Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,215 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 4:39:52 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: If there's any hope to be had, both Grobe and Knorr lost to fcs/1aa teams. Both those teams picked themselves up pretty well and finished "ok". Yes even the knorr team. Well they have to play better. Don’t they? Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,209 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 4:41:27 PM  Given what we've seen so far, a winning season is probably out of the question. We have four to six more teams on the schedule that are probably better than the two we've played so far -- Louisiana, NWern, CMU, Toledo and maybe Buffalo and Kent. Doesn't bode well for avoiding a losing season. So for "success" we need: A coaching staff that understands that in order to win against mediocre to good teams you can't just sit in a formation and run unimaginative plays. You need some motion from the backs and receivers, some misdirection plays, and to get wideouts involved in the running game. So far, they've had one such play out of the 100+ they've run. A quarterback who understands the read option and can execute it. A defense that can stop the run, even if that means putting eight or nine in the box. Getting the d-backs to stop playing eight or ten yds off receivers. A lot of what Duquesne did was completing quick passes for five yds or so because our d-backs were playing too soft. Plus there isn't a lot you can do to disrupt a route when you're playing that far back. It would be good if we could have this by the end of September. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Doc Bobcat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 4,215 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 5:22:51 PM  Pataskala wrote: Given what we've seen so far, a winning season is probably out of the question. We have four to six more teams on the schedule that are probably better than the two we've played so far -- Louisiana, NWern, CMU, Toledo and maybe Buffalo and Kent. Doesn't bode well for avoiding a losing season. So for "success" we need: A coaching staff that understands that in order to win against mediocre to good teams you can't just sit in a formation and run unimaginative plays. You need some motion from the backs and receivers, some misdirection plays, and to get wideouts involved in the running game. So far, they've had one such play out of the 100+ they've run. A quarterback who understands the read option and can execute it. A defense that can stop the run, even if that means putting eight or nine in the box. Getting the d-backs to stop playing eight or ten yds off receivers. A lot of what Duquesne did was completing quick passes for five yds or so because our d-backs were playing too soft. Plus there isn't a lot you can do to disrupt a route when you're playing that far back. It would be good if we could have this by the end of September. Yes. Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,049 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/14/2021 5:37:43 PM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: If there's any hope to be had, both Grobe and Knorr lost to fcs/1aa teams. Both those teams picked themselves up pretty well and finished "ok". Yes even the knorr team. I know that a ranked Washington team and Florida State both lost to FCS schools. But let's not get confused. Montana would probably beat JSU and JSU would be a big favorite over Duquesne. To me it isn't so much that we lost to Duquesne. The difference between winning or losing by 2 isn't so meaningful in projecting the rest of the season. We beat Hampton 59-0 a few years ago. If we had a upper tier MAC team we should have, in all probability, done something close to that to Duquesne. I hope the Dukes are better than expected but this is much more discouraging than Knorr losing to Northeastern. After the absurdity that was 2001 I don't think many of us were surprised by Ohio losing to team that finished #11 in 1AA. Grobe's loss to NIU was more disappointing but that team also finished #15 in the FCS. Duquesne might not be top 70. I think by one measure BGSU and Akron were the two youngest teams in the FBS last season. There are no highly probable wins as of now. Masseyratings.com and teamrankings.com say that 3-8 is the most likely record. FPI Says: Louisiana 9% Northwestern 7% Akron 70% CMU 16% Buffalo 8% Kent St. 22% Miami 31% EMU 16% Toledo 10% BGSU 56% By FPI 2 or 3 wins is the the most probable. I'd take a 4 win season right now in a heartbeat. I'd be pretty surprised if we can get there. I hope we do but I can't reasonably expect 4 wins. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/15/2021 9:46:55 AM  If I can get one good, fresh funnel cake in the stadium. My bar is pretty low. As it should be. Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,065 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/15/2021 10:37:36 AM  I'm going to wait until after the Louisiana game to decide what my expectations are for the rest of the season. Albin is really got the spotlight on him now. Let's see how he performs. They say that a team improves the most between its first and second game. I'm still holding out hope that in OHIO's case it'll be between the second and third game. I really think we have some talented players on this team. If Frank was still at the helm, I don't think we'd be 0-2 right now. This start, IMHO, is on the head coach. Let's see if he can dig his way out of the hole. I'm not ready to bet against it. The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/15/2021 9:31:43 PM  Victory wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: If there's any hope to be had, both Grobe and Knorr lost to fcs/1aa teams. Both those teams picked themselves up pretty well and finished "ok". Yes even the knorr team. I know that a ranked Washington team and Florida State both lost to FCS schools. But let's not get confused. Montana would probably beat JSU and JSU would be a big favorite over Duquesne. To me it isn't so much that we lost to Duquesne. The difference between winning or losing by 2 isn't so meaningful in projecting the rest of the season. We beat Hampton 59-0 a few years ago. If we had a upper tier MAC team we should have, in all probability, done something close to that to Duquesne. I hope the Dukes are better than expected but this is much more discouraging than Knorr losing to Northeastern. After the absurdity that was 2001 I don't think many of us were surprised by Ohio losing to team that finished #11 in 1AA. Grobe's loss to NIU was more disappointing but that team also finished #15 in the FCS. Duquesne might not be top 70. I think by one measure BGSU and Akron were the two youngest teams in the FBS last season. There are no highly probable wins as of now. Masseyratings.com and teamrankings.com say that 3-8 is the most likely record. FPI Says: Louisiana 9% Northwestern 7% Akron 70% CMU 16% Buffalo 8% Kent St. 22% Miami 31% EMU 16% Toledo 10% BGSU 56% By FPI 2 or 3 wins is the the most probable. I'd take a 4 win season right now in a heartbeat. I'd be pretty surprised if we can get there. I hope we do but I can't reasonably expect 4 wins. Why bother playing the games? Back to Top Victory General User Member Since: 3/10/2012 Post Count: 2,049 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 9:06:49 AM  giacomo wrote: Victory wrote: Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: If there's any hope to be had, both Grobe and Knorr lost to fcs/1aa teams. Both those teams picked themselves up pretty well and finished "ok". Yes even the knorr team. I know that a ranked Washington team and Florida State both lost to FCS schools. But let's not get confused. Montana would probably beat JSU and JSU would be a big favorite over Duquesne. To me it isn't so much that we lost to Duquesne. The difference between winning or losing by 2 isn't so meaningful in projecting the rest of the season. We beat Hampton 59-0 a few years ago. If we had a upper tier MAC team we should have, in all probability, done something close to that to Duquesne. I hope the Dukes are better than expected but this is much more discouraging than Knorr losing to Northeastern. After the absurdity that was 2001 I don't think many of us were surprised by Ohio losing to team that finished #11 in 1AA. Grobe's loss to NIU was more disappointing but that team also finished #15 in the FCS. Duquesne might not be top 70. I think by one measure BGSU and Akron were the two youngest teams in the FBS last season. There are no highly probable wins as of now. Masseyratings.com and teamrankings.com say that 3-8 is the most likely record. FPI Says: Louisiana 9% Northwestern 7% Akron 70% CMU 16% Buffalo 8% Kent St. 22% Miami 31% EMU 16% Toledo 10% BGSU 56% By FPI 2 or 3 wins is the the most probable. I'd take a 4 win season right now in a heartbeat. I'd be pretty surprised if we can get there. I hope we do but I can't reasonably expect 4 wins. Why bother playing the games? Have you taken some sort of offense to this? I don't understand why. Could you drive your car 100MPH in the wrong lane and get where you are going faster? Is it possible? Yes. Do people do it? No, because the odds of it turning out well are not in your favor. FPI gives New Mexico St. a 0.1% chance to beat Alabama. Are they going to play the game? Is it possible for NMSU to win? Yes and Yes. Are they going to offer a straight up even money bet on who will win this game? No, because no reasonable person would bet on NMSU. Not even the most rose colored glasses NMSU fan would take that bet. Everyone would bet on Alabama and if they offered bets like that I hope we all agree the casino would lose its shirt and go out of business. Vegas lines need to represent the most reasonable outcome given the evidence at hand. If they didn't they couldn't exist. Those probabilities can easily be translated into Vegas style odds if you prefer that. If they weren't close to correct in that regard most of the time they also probably wouldn't exist. I actually like the Odds represented in Percent chance of winning better than the expected Spread BECAUSE it shows that there is doubt. It always shows that there is a chance the underdog could win and there is still a reason to play. Now given that, is there a chance that Ohio could have a winning season? Yes. Should we be thinking that it is reasonably likely? Of course not! Is it as crazy as a NMSU fan expecting to beat Alabama? No, it isn't that far out there but it should still be considered pretty unlikely. The program probably just had its worst result in more than 3 decades. Arguably, the Northeastern loss was worst because Ohio got shutout but Northeastern was probably a much, much, much better team than Duquesne is. Some of those Ohio teams were pretty darn bad. Some of them were even the very worst team in the FBS/1A. This team just outperformed all of them in ineptitude. If that doesn't tell you something about resetting what is most realistically likely range of wins this team might have then I don't knw what will. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 1:59:41 PM  I guess I'm not a "fan"atic. What bothers me is that I heard a rumor here in Pittsburgh that we paid Duquesne 400k to play us at home. Does anyone know if that is true? We should be scheduling above our heads and getting a payday, not the other way around. Back to Top OU_Country General User Member Since: 12/6/2005 Location: On the road between Athens and Madison County Post Count: 8,337 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 2:28:37 PM  giacomo wrote: I guess I'm not a "fan"atic. What bothers me is that I heard a rumor here in Pittsburgh that we paid Duquesne 400k to play us at home. Does anyone know if that is true? We should be scheduling above our heads and getting a payday, not the other way around. According to this in the Duquesne game thread, yes it is correct. http://www.bobcatattack.com/messageboard/topic.asp?FromPa... Back to Top . General User Member Since: 2/3/2005 Post Count: 2,967 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 3:34:23 PM  All of giacomo’s posts suddenly make more sense if read in Yinzer. Back to Top giacomo General User Member Since: 11/20/2007 Post Count: 2,688 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 9:43:07 PM  Git aht! Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,404 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 11:47:49 PM  At this point maybe can get a dog and pop in Peden without waiting in line for half an hour......if they are not outta dogs..... RS Bobcat Back to Top Urban Bobcat General User Member Since: 9/14/2007 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 804 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/16/2021 11:51:22 PM  At this point, a successful season would be if the coaching staff gets abducted by aliens forever. Last Edited: 9/16/2021 11:52:11 PM by Urban Bobcat URBAN BOBCAT Back to Top El Gato Roberto General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Illinois Post Count: 1,073 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/17/2021 12:11:28 AM  It’s a season to forget followed by a fast transition to basketball season. "The name's Ohio University, but everybody calls me Ohio. Any of you guys call me Ohio U, and I'll kill you." Back to Top RSBobcat General User Member Since: 8/22/2010 Location: Columbus, OH Post Count: 4,404 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/17/2021 12:31:22 AM  El Gato Roberto wrote: It’s a season to forget followed by a fast transition to basketball season. So - The Basketball school vs Football school debate heats up once again.... RS Bobcat Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,461 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/17/2021 1:23:16 AM  After the first 3 games, winning 2 games (Akron, BGSU) seems like the best case. We can maybe eek out a 3rd win if one of our opponents has to forfeit due to a COVID outbreak. Back to Top 100%Cat General User Member Since: 1/17/2013 Post Count: 2,516 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/24/2021 2:45:29 PM  The cheerleaders don't throw out those little white footballs anymore, do they? I remember many games in the early 2000's when a friend and I sat in the vacated-after-halftime student section hoping to see one of the cheerleaders succeed at firing one of those little white footballs out of the stadium over the bleachers. Does that date myself? Could we bring those back? Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,348 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/24/2021 2:48:00 PM  100%Cat wrote: The cheerleaders don't throw out those little white footballs anymore, do they? I remember many games in the early 2000's when a friend and I sat in the vacated-after-halftime student section hoping to see one of the cheerleaders succeed at firing one of those little white footballs out of the stadium over the bleachers. Does that date myself? Could we bring those back? Yeah, more useless plastic for the world to clean up. Might as well throw them right into the ocean. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,209 Status: Offline     RE: At this point, what's a successful season?    Posted: 9/24/2021 3:37:56 PM  100%Cat wrote: The cheerleaders don't throw out those little white footballs anymore, do they? I remember many games in the early 2000's when a friend and I sat in the vacated-after-halftime student section hoping to see one of the cheerleaders succeed at firing one of those little white footballs out of the stadium over the bleachers. Does that date myself? Could we bring those back? The couple we got 8-10 years ago had a sponsor on them. Did the ADept lose the sponsor and not get a replacement, or just decide not to bother with them anymore? We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 39 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 187 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 185 Guests 2 Registered Users:   Bobcat Jerry, Bobcat Love's Sense of Shame There are no other users looking at this page.

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