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Topic: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Topic: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

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BillyTheCat
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Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Posted: 9/22/2021 9:28:19 AM

https://www.ohiouniversityjobs.com/postings/38427

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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:44:58 AM

Well, this is positive news!

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RE: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Posted: 9/22/2021 10:47:27 AM

I didn't know they still use "salary commensurate . . ." .

I jut took a Continuing Education class on hiring after the pandemic.

One of the things we were told was that any "ad" should have some type of salary range.

That eliminates wasting the applicant's and employer's time.

As he said, if you don't provide some indication of salary, its going to
be the first question an applicant asks anyway.

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RE: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Posted: 9/22/2021 11:29:50 AM

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:26:31 PM

rpbobcat wrote:

It has a job classification in the ad that you then look up. It�s a slotted administrative position.

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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:28:18 PM

shabamon wrote:

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

It still does this job is a CA&P 16 (Classified and Administrative Pay Scale)

This job is $44k minimum to about $74k maximum salary. Medium is $54k.

Last Edited: 9/22/2021 12:31:28 PM by BillyTheCat

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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:54:34 PM

Ah thanks, didn't scroll down enough.

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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:58:23 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

shabamon wrote:

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

It still does this job is a CA&P 16 (Classified and Administrative Pay Scale)

This job is $44k minimum to about $74k maximum salary. Medium is $54k.

Don�t forget this posting as well for those that want to write and do stats and what not (https://www.ohiouniversityjobs.com/postings/38624 ).

This is me taking a very great shot in the dark, but I believe the position they have listed is at least 2/3 if not 3/3 of the video openings combined. It�s a $8k pay bump compared to what I was making, and probably a $5k for former heads that are no longer there.

The position as I read is mainly supposed to be motion graphics and running the board, but I have a nagging suspicion with no other video people it�s going to be much much more than that (also, good luck getting someone with motion graphics experience to Athens for that).

Unless this is 3/3 jobs combined though, it won�t help you in getting more games on E3 during breaks (and I still think you�re going to see less home E3 stuff this year in general than in years past), getting your press conferences in good audio video quality, etc�

This is something, but it shouldn�t have been the focus. They�re also really late on the jump. The person whose job this sort of was left during the summer. By the time they run this search (2-3 times since a lot of creatives are set for the year at their current place unless something really good pops up) you�re already out of the sports that even require a video board.

👀 just saying lol.

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Posted: 9/22/2021 12:59:03 PM

ExVideoCat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

shabamon wrote:

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

It still does this job is a CA&P 16 (Classified and Administrative Pay Scale)

This job is $44k minimum to about $74k maximum salary. Medium is $54k.

I�ll also add that it�ll be $44k. Those ranges mean nothing. They�ll get you at the lowest 10 times out of 10.

**I�ll also add if I see the word �content� be referenced one more time after hearing it non stop for over a year and no one really understanding what that means there� I may lose my mind.***

Last Edited: 9/22/2021 1:03:53 PM by ExVideoCat

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RE: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Posted: 9/22/2021 2:10:28 PM

ExVideoCat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

shabamon wrote:

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

It still does this job is a CA&P 16 (Classified and Administrative Pay Scale)

This job is $44k minimum to about $74k maximum salary. Medium is $54k.

My favorite part of the posting is Winter Closing (like ICA closes!) and �paid holidays�. You are a salaried worker! You always get paid for holidays, not to mention, you will work many of these holidays.

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Posted: 9/22/2021 3:36:31 PM

BillyTheCat wrote:

ExVideoCat wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

shabamon wrote:

When I was an employee, I think job ads had pay grades which you could look up elsewhere in the HR site to find the salary ranges.

It still does this job is a CA&P 16 (Classified and Administrative Pay Scale)

This job is $44k minimum to about $74k maximum salary. Medium is $54k.

110%. The sad thing is someone fresh out of college or this being their first full time stop won�t know this/everything they�ll deal with. It�ll slippery slope from day one. When I left athletics video full time I was kind of looking around and most most most people are done with what I was doing by 30 because they want time with family, to have fun, kids, etc� If they�re not out by 30, they definitely are by 40.

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Posted: 9/23/2021 1:50:33 AM

They'll hire someone out of sports ad or undergrad for cheap that worked elsewhere. Curious as to who this person will report to.

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Posted: 9/23/2021 7:21:44 AM

�OHIO Athletics is a dynamic team of student-athletes, coaches and administrators with a vision to demonstrate unprecedented excellence in athletics, academics and student-athlete development. Our championship culture provides a foundation for our students to grow as a person, student and athlete. �

(Clasps hands together)

�Synergy.�

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Posted: 9/23/2021 8:02:34 AM

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

They'll hire someone out of sports ad or undergrad for cheap that worked elsewhere. Curious as to who this person will report to.

You�d honestly be surprised. For the SID gig, odds are probably not unless it�s a previous grad that just wants to come back. When the last hire was made for an SID opening, without divulging too much info, none were sports ad people (from here at least). The guy that got the last SID opening was an Ohio grad, just not sports ad (he�s the one in charge of �content 🤮� now.

As far as the video opening, the girl that had that last was an Ohio grad (not sure what her major was) too, but she had no motion graphics experience coming in. She was mostly involved with E3 when she was an undergrad. She absolutely killed it though coming in with a ton of new challenges thrown at her and crushing them. It�s kinda sad they couldn�t get anyone else in before she left so she could help them learn. Some of those systems are a bit of a learning curve.

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RE: Be part of the solution, here is your chance. Internet experts should apply

Posted: 9/23/2021 11:30:00 AM

Glad we are looking to hire this position well into football and be lucky if they are on-board and on-boarded before the end of the year.

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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:30:40 AM

ExVideoCat wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

They'll hire someone out of sports ad or undergrad for cheap that worked elsewhere. Curious as to who this person will report to.

Really appreciate you sharing your insights and experiences with the realities of department operations.

I would assume that many staff move on for bigger and better opportunities normally at larger, better paying schools and/or professional leagues, just like most coaches do?

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Posted: 9/23/2021 2:10:10 PM

OUcats82 wrote:

ExVideoCat wrote:

Buckeye to Bobcat wrote:

They'll hire someone out of sports ad or undergrad for cheap that worked elsewhere. Curious as to who this person will report to.

To answer OhioAlum's response, I think you're correct unless they find someone local. If the position is open for applications until mid-October, you find someone, give them a few weeks to get in to town, and then start you're probably looking at least at December if I had to guess... Late November maybe. The tricky thing is though... You're counting on someone coming in that already knows what they're doing. If they aren't great at shooting or editing, you can't even get something that looks as basic as things did on those old lower boards. Not great at motion graphics? That's a curve that if you're throwing a million shooting and editing projects at this person to that they won't get to sit down and learn (the girl that was doing it when I was there, other than the board operation that was her entire thing.. No shooting, no editing (except board specific things) for 99% of the year). Those boards have a bit of a learning curve to them (amplified a bit when you have to make videos for two different dimensions of boards if not more now with the IMG boards). I messed with them a SMIDGE for the HS bball tourney and when M/WBB needed stuff up occasionally and it still confused me (I never understood Peden's at all). It'll be interesting to see how this goes, AND this is all under the premise that they get someone in after the initial posting and don't have to relist it a few times.

As for OUCats, you'd honestly be surprised... A LOT of us get out of the business in general. Myself, my wife got into vet school which forced a move, and I took a position in live events at the university we're at. More normal schedule, better work environment, and a nice pay bump. A lot of the really really talented people in the industry are moving to agencies and are working directly with athletes. Honest to God, the people working in pro sports aren't much older than us who were in college athletics, and the turnover there is still high in places. I think as the creatives get older, the values change. Is the "grind" worth not seeing family and friends (in my almost 4 years at Ohio the only time I saw a childhood friend was at my wedding for 2 days and my coworkers were NOT my friends... My family I saw for a handful of days one summer, and they saw me in Frisco as it was only a few hours from Arkansas... No holidays or birthdays since the grind dictated I was back on it the next day or the same day like when we spent Thanksgiving at UB for FB. Is the coolness of working in sports worth not making a living? I'll be honest with you, bigger place doesn't always mean more money. Where I am now, the position I'd have had here doing the same thing at Ohio only pays about $3,000 more (still sub $40k). They bank on you wanting to work in sports means you'll take less pay because who doesn't want to work in sports. Working in sports is cool when you're single with no kids, cool with living in the bottom of the barrel places where you live, and not needing free time because you don't have friends somewhere and don't want to get out and do stuff. Criminally overworked and underpaid, and at times your work isn't even appreciated (talking to you guys on here that didn't like when the Russ recaps went away after games and I started making highlights instead haha).

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Posted: 9/23/2021 9:21:11 PM

God looking at these postings and reading what ExVideoCat has to say makes me glad I didn't get into this business. But even more angry I spent the money (and still paying the loans off) on the degrees to get me there.

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Posted: 9/23/2021 10:28:23 PM

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I�ll say this. I�m one of the lucky ones. My mom had the forethought when I was born to start a college fund for me and I was lucky enough to catch a few scholarships as well. I wound up getting out of college unscathed (even though I have a degree in broadcast journalism but wound up hating being on camera). For what I did, in no way was a degree useful. When I was in high school I learned how to shoot and edit. I got to college and learned the live side. So much of what I did in college was just resume building instead of actually learning because I already knew it. I will say that I thought a degree was worth more than what I made at Walmart working Asset Protection though. That was a bit of a rude awakening even though that seems to be a sports exclusive issue.

As far as working in sports I know I made it sound pretty negative, but it had its pros. I loved 99% of the SAs I worked with and getting to interact with them made my day a lot of days, and being able to break the cycle where we weren�t helping them promote themselves� Seeing the joy they got in posting a practice photo (especially the walk ons that didn�t typically get any love) was awesome. My hands down favorite team to work with was MBB. I can�t speak highly enough of that staff at the way they cared for not only their players, but support staff as well. As someone who shot for the SB team that won the MAC tourney a few years back, got all their streams going, etc. I was a little bummed I didn�t even get a T-Shirt as a keep sake. When MBB won this past year, I honestly got a little choked up when they said my name to get one of the championship medals. I had no idea Jeff had put my name down to be recognized as part of the team at it honestly meant a lot as for a really long time I felt more like a resource as opposed to a team member. Never a day went by that I didn�t pass them in the hallway and they say hi and check in on me. I had a bit of a rough time at bubble life in Indy and them checking in on me was very appreciated. In different ways, I could say similar things about the other coaches I worked with. Ali with FH is one of the most hilarious and understanding people I�ve ever met, Aaron with soccer is a great person to sit down and just talk with about anything, when you can figure out when Bob is joking vs being serious he�s a great person, Coach Greenlee is a great person to talk to about the behind the scenes things since he�s been here long enough to see it all, and the list kind of goes on.

If I�d have had the resources and bodies to help every single team and coach the way they should�ve been I would have. The issue is even with this amazing J-School, those students don�t want to shoot and edit the way we need to a lot of times. They want to be on camera and we don�t need that necessarily. It�s also next to impossible to find the students that want to shoot and edit because we don�t have an in with them or the university. When students come to tour, they�re told to go to WOUB/Gridiron/Hardwood.

That lack of people is where the job was just draining. I had cameras. I had computers. I was willing to teach (stayed late a many a night to go over footage with students), but just not having the help to relieve some of that pressure is what burned me out.

Last Edited: 9/23/2021 10:30:27 PM by ExVideoCat

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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:04:24 PM

I did some volunteer and interning at both OU and Xavier during my undergrad and grad degrees. The rewards are there for sure. You get access to games. You sometimes get really good free meals. But after seeing what the people who worked in the departments went through I'm not sure I'd enjoy sports afterwards. When I was at X one of my internships was with the Academic Advising office and my god, those people get put through the ringer. Even though X doesn't have a football team, they only had 2 academic advisers for the entire AD, and they practically had to beg tutors to help the athletes, especially MBB. Everyone on campus knew the toll that took on tutors and wanted no part of it. My boss who I respected so much, never worked with the MBB team and loved her job. She was asked to do it and quit after 3 months. Some of those kids were not there to go to school. Not saying every school is like that, but no thanks.

And the OU stuff was just little things. Updating player bios on the site, updating Stat records, running the scoreboard at lacrosse games. It was tiny but they always needed help any time you could offer.

Last Edited: 9/23/2021 11:08:28 PM by GoCats105

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Posted: 9/23/2021 11:55:47 PM

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They cut out free meals haha. That had to go with budget cuts. If I remember right we were still able to get something in the FB press box (think it ended for everyone else), but those meals were how we �paid� our E3 workers.

A wise man once told me that when you work in sports you don�t want to watch sports. He was very correct. I probably didn�t watch but 1-2 NFL games a year, maybe the NBA finals, and that was it.

I�m able to enjoy them again now.

It was awesome getting to do what I did. Really enjoyed the experience. I know my story isn�t unique to just Ohio, but I have to take a second and really thank the bosses over the US that look out for their staff. I went up to OSU to kind of see how they ran things and just hearing their head guy talk I was amazed that half the stuff he did there was accepted. I took a lot of what he said they did, brought it back to Athens for discussion and was basically laughed at. Some places get it and they keep their staff for many many moons, some places don�t and have to fill the same position over and over every year or two.

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Posted: 9/24/2021 6:35:02 AM

What I don't understand is where is all the money going. Our athletics budget is at about the midpoint or slightly above that among MAC schools and yet we apparently have the smallest, poorest paid support staff. What am I missing?

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Posted: 9/24/2021 8:43:38 AM

SBH wrote:

It�s probably going to:
-Parking Services (to pay the fines assessed on university owned vehicles such as equipment trucks and the Basketball Arena illegally parked on the Convo Parking Lot);
- To Campus Rec (for use of Pedan, the football offices, the Wren, the soccer/field hockey field, the track, etc);
-And to Res Life, for rental of the cavernous common room in the heart of the Convocation Center dorm

Half joking (but only half)

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Posted: 9/24/2021 10:26:34 AM

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We pay our coaches well, we fly places other MAC schools drive, we play fewer money games. Look at the number of Athletic Trainers that other MAC schools have (Miami, Kent), they embarass us in care of all sports teams.

We do stuff like refuse to give Dak a raise, but hire his replacement at $22k more money than Dak was receiving.

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Posted: 9/24/2021 1:34:36 PM

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You'd honestly be surprised how small the athletics budget actually is. We had a meeting pre COVID where they showed other's budgets and OH MY GOD. The discrepancy between the upper half and us was nuts.

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