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Pete Chouteau
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But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 10:30:14 PM

Charlotte is an unserious program. They built a nice stadium near a growing city and assumed a program would appear out of thin air.

Leaving our mess for their mess screams that Tim wanted out and it didn't matter where.

Why?

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 10:51:41 PM

Why?

$$$$$$$

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 11:03:38 PM

GraffZ06 wrote:

Why?

$$$$$$$

By numerous accounts I�ve read, his new salary wouldn�t even make him highest paid MAC coach so I don�t believe money is the whole factor.

I�m sure there are many whys we may never know outside of the generic�

�Great opportunity to put my imprint on a program. Tremendous city. Tremendous football conference.�

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 11:46:30 PM

Why you ask?
-More money
-Better weather
-NO pressure nobody in North Carolina gives a $hit about football all they care about is basketball. Hell he may even built it to be the best program in Charlotte as to date the NFL Panthers have been a dumpster fire!
-Athens is green acres, Charlotte is a vibrant!dynamic growing metropolis
-Even if he fails to succeed in Charlotte he could do a Groce and come back to the MAC
-Leaving a MAC school for a better job after even the slightest hint of success is just a fact of �Life in the MAC�! It�s just a right of passage in the MAC. It�s nothing personal- just simple business decisions. Tim�s certainly not the first to catch the first bus out of town and he won�t be the last.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 11:56:00 PM

Best to let all the details come out before we do a lot of analysis. Just a little early to speculate to me. Wait a day or two and we�ll know so much more. Have a good night and get some sleep and dream about the MACC.

Last Edited: 12/7/2024 11:56:29 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/7/2024 11:57:47 PM

BobcatSports wrote:

�Better Weather� - https://www.charlottenc.gov/CS-Prep/City-News/Charlotte-F...

�Vibrant Metropolis� - big selling point for a young man of 60 years old with his whole future ahead of him

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 12:13:49 AM

Told my wife as the game was unfolding today that this was giving me a �Groce� feeling!! The euphoria of watching that complete a$$kicking was tempered somewhat by knowing Albin would certainly be receiving offers to move on to bigger better opportunities. One could question if Charlotte is the best Tim could do at this stage, in today�s wild-west of portal-NIL, Charlotte with all the business entities of major corporations there offers unlimited possibilities for NIL monies that simply will never be available in Athens.

As I watched today�s game how could you not be impressed by what Albin and staff brought into this program from parts unknown, with a pittance of NIL money, and how he took this new bunch and week by week molded into a MAC championship.I suspect Albin believes IF he does in fact take the 49�ers job he can built it into a respectable program.

On an ironic note, my som married a girl from Raleigh 10 years ago. The wedding was in Raleigh and one of her relatives who attended the wedding worked in the Charlotte athletics dept. I had a conversation with him and told him I was an OHIO grad and a proud Bobcat! He stated at that time Charlotte was hoping to build their program to model what Frank was doing with OHIO. Well sounds like they just may be landing Frank�s Star Pupil.

Last Edited: 12/8/2024 12:16:36 AM by BobcatSports

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 12:22:42 AM

Sleep on it???
Do a quick Google search- everybody and their brother are reporting he�s gone on a 5 year deal.Even the Charlotte NBC affiliate is reporting it.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 12:23:15 AM

I do find it a bit odd that 4 jobs in the state of North Carolina have opened and each one of them could claim they have big advantages that make them attractive compared to the other open jobs. For years, people have said UNC is some sort of sleeping giant based on money, recruiting ground and potential, yet it's never happened. NC State the same way though Doeren hasn't succeeded at the highest level yet. You could make the argument that App State is the most successful program in the state.

Seems like Charlotte is just a little of the same story in that state over and over again. A program in a fertile recruiting ground with tons of potential and they just need someone to take the reins. My biggest questions are: (1) isn't the city of Charlotte the mecca for the ACC? (2) How many people really give a shit about Charlotte football in Charlotte?

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 6:19:35 AM

Why someone asked? The man was disrespected by Ohio's athletic director and Ohio's administration. A new deal should have been done after his bowl win last season and back to back 10 win seasons. She let the two time coach of the MAC walk out the door. If Jason Grooms was hired in 2020 instead of the current AD, this would have never happened. The guy was the 6th highest paid coach in the MAC. Look at his win loss record at Ohio compared to other conference schools.

Last Edited: 12/8/2024 6:24:57 AM by Bobcat1996

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 8:02:33 AM

BobcatSports wrote:

Sleep on it???
Do a quick Google search- everybody and their brother are reporting he�s gone on a 5 year deal.Even the Charlotte NBC affiliate is reporting it.

What are the details of the deal my friend? We just dont know right now- even on this board people are quoting 1.4-2 mil. Which is it and does that make a difference? Lots of other details as well.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 8:52:34 AM

M.D.W.S.T wrote:

GraffZ06 wrote:

Why?

$$$$$$$

Maybe has. Something to do with OUr AD wouldn�t work on a new contract to keep Tim.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 8:54:26 AM

Bobcat1996 wrote:

Yep, this is pretty much the situation.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 9:57:41 AM

This is all true, but similarly, his new contact �even if it�s the 2 million figure�will put him sixth in the AAC. 1.4 would put him 9th. So, same disrespect. Different crowd.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 10:03:49 AM

Mike Coleman wrote:

This is all true, but similarly, his new contact �even if it�s the 2 million figure�will put him sixth in the AAC. 1.4 would put him 9th. So, same disrespect. Different crowd.

Terms, years, security.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 10:40:55 AM

BillyTheCat wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

This is all true, but similarly, his new contact �even if it�s the 2 million figure�will put him sixth in the AAC. 1.4 would put him 9th. So, same disrespect. Different crowd.

Terms, years, security.

lol. Ohio has had two coaches in the last 20 years. Uncc has had five (including interims) in the last 10. There is literally no job security there.

I really like Albin and believe he will do fine, but it�s about $ plain and simple. And not just for him�I�m sure assistants will get a raise, too.

I also buy into the build his own thing like Frank did at Ohio. This title has a finish what Frank started vibe, whereas he could put his own mark on a program in Charlotte.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 1:22:30 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

BillyTheCat wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

This is all true, but similarly, his new contact �even if it�s the 2 million figure�will put him sixth in the AAC. 1.4 would put him 9th. So, same disrespect. Different crowd.

Terms, years, security.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 2:29:17 PM

GoCats105 wrote:

My biggest questions are: (1) isn't the city of Charlotte the mecca for the ACC? (2) How many people really give a shit about Charlotte football in Charlotte?

(1) You could argue that. I was raised on the ACC and lived in NC most of my life. The triangle (Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill) & Greensboro are the ACC "mecca" to me. Charlotte hosts so many ACC contests simply because it is the biggest city in NC and $$$ rules all. Hornets arena is a nicer facility than Greensboro Coliseum. Panthers stadium is the best football facility in the State. Also the proximity to SC and GA probably helps too. I don't personally think Charlotte is the ACC "mecca", but it's at least the "Madina" in that respect.

(2) Not as many as do ACC. Our program is only 11 years old, and we haven't been winning. Everyone likes a winner.

Mike Coleman wrote:

Ohio has had two coaches in the last 20 years. Charlotte has had five (including interims) in the last 10. There is literally no job security there.

Would be different if they were winning -- like your last 2 coaches.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 3:44:03 PM

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Would be different if they were winning -- like your last 2 coaches.

Yes. Good point.

Albin definitely has a better W/L pedigree than any of your previous coaches, but there hasn�t been a whole lot of patience with such a new program. Time will tell.

I think Charlotte is interesting. I am from Cincinnati and remember how pathetic the team was for a long time. Guys with winning HC records like Mike Gottfried, Watson Brown, Tim Murphy and Dave Currey all came in with big plans but they continued to flop and flop. Unlike Charlotte, however, Cincinnati somehow managed to get into the new Big East FB because of its basketball and then went on a nice streak with Dantonio, Brian Kelly and Butch Jones to rebuild their fortunes. I guess that�s the type of blueprint Charlotte can shoot for.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 4:26:27 PM

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You�re wrong about nobody in NC caring about football - have you checked out App St and East Carolina attendance figures - they�re certainly a lot better than MAC schools last time I checked.

Some donor just gave 25mil to upgrade the football stadium - real money donor that we apparently don�t have ( more money issue but way more money available to the program )

If it�s a fact of life, why haven�t Candle and Martin left then.

Last Edited: 12/8/2024 4:34:20 PM by colobobcat66

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 4:46:08 PM

Mike Coleman wrote:

Albin definitely has a better W/L pedigree than any of your previous coaches, but there hasn�t been a whole lot of patience with such a new program. Time will tell.

I think Charlotte is interesting. I am from Cincinnati and remember how pathetic the team was for a long time. Guys with winning HC records like Mike Gottfried, Watson Brown, Tim Murphy and Dave Currey all came in with big plans but they continued to flop and flop. Unlike Charlotte, however, Cincinnati somehow managed to get into the new Big East FB because of its basketball and then went on a nice streak with Dantonio, Brian Kelly and Butch Jones to rebuild their fortunes. I guess that�s the type of blueprint Charlotte can shoot for.

>patience
We've really only had 3 meaningful coaches.
1st: 6 seasons
2nd: 4 seasons
3rd: 2 seasons

Biff got the axe because, aside from losing seasons, he did a lot of stuff that made him look terrible to the AD and fans. I'll spare the details unless you're interested. But this season was our hardest SoS ever, and we went 5-7. He'd still be our coach if he didn't make such an ass of himself. Also, fwiw, he publicly invited being fired if he didn't live up to his hype.

I honestly think we've been fairly patient. We (fans) were warned it would be a long slog when we were working to get the program started.

>Cincinnati
This is a brutal example because we used to be conference rivals in CUSA when our league was relatively stacked and Charlotte basketball was still NCAA Tournament level competitive. I randomly picked the 2001 CUSA bball tournament so I could review the conference composition at that time, and it happens to be that Charlotte and Cinci played in the final, Charlotte winning.

We got left behind because we didn't have football despite pleadings from the fanbase. It has been very amusing to read grumblings about your AD, Julie, because our longtime AD at that time was named Judy. She is infamous in our fanbase. Many resent her. She resisted football the entire way. I was a very active part of the student/alumni initiative to get us a football team. She told us starting football was a "fantasy". I'm happy/proud enough we have what we have.

Look at this list of former CUSA members (ca. 2001), and think where they are now:
Cincinnati - B12
Houston - B12
Louisville - ACC
Marquette - BE
DePaul - BE
Memphis, Tulane, USF - AAC, but receiving P5 interest.

Rather than following them, we got kicked into the A10 once CUSA upped its football commitment. I HATED being in the A10, and our basketball program went in the tanks. We are desperately playing catchup now, and this new NIL/portal/mercenary era has only made things worse. We can hope to follow Cincinnati's route.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 4:49:52 PM

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Would be different if they were winning -- like your last 2 coaches.

Cincinnati is sitting on the top football hotbed in the Midwest. All they needed to do is get more of those guys to stay. It didn't hurt that OSU has been elite recruiting over those two decades leaving plenty of in-state talent go somewhere else. The same thing happened in South Carolina with Clemson leaving a void for Coastal Carolina to step into a little.

North Carolina keep in mind has 7 FBS teams and less FBS talent than Ohio. Charlotte might be more of an Akron situation than a Cincinnati situation. Albin however will be a hero if he can win a bowl there. TA might be able to hang in 10 seasons there because of low expectations.

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RE: But, why?

Posted: 12/8/2024 5:32:56 PM

TWT wrote:

Mike Coleman wrote:

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Would be different if they were winning -- like your last 2 coaches.

Charlotte has a booming HS football scene and a ton of CAT alumni ready to make ties.

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