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Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,840 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/13/2021 2:16:55 PM  I'm certain the board wants to preserve athletics profile. They also want someone more inspiring. I'm worried about losing Julie Cromer. Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,091 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/13/2021 9:28:02 PM  Nellis was very supportive of Jeff Boals' salary. We will see if the next Prez looks at things that way. Back to Top mf279801 General User Member Since: 8/6/2010 Location: Newark, DE Post Count: 2,461 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/13/2021 10:09:23 PM  We’ll miss his fadeaway jumper and presence in the paint, but as a defensive back he was often beaten over the top, and he never could hit a college fastball Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,846 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/14/2021 3:20:14 PM  mf279801 wrote: We’ll miss his fadeaway jumper and presence in the paint, but as a defensive back he was often beaten over the top, and he never could hit a college fastball He does have a pretty fierce spiral ride on the mat.... Ohio-The State University Back to Top 71 BOBCAT General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 1,869 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/15/2021 7:13:56 AM  This situation seems very odd to me. Resign from being president to become a professor? In today's world I wonder if he was pushed out and offered a new position to fulfill his term of contract? Why didn't he stay on as president till his successor was named? This seems odd to me. Many questions need to be answered here. GO BOBCATS Back to Top ytownbobcat General User Member Since: 8/7/2006 Post Count: 1,253 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/15/2021 1:04:06 PM  I think you are spot on with the idea that they are fulfilling his contract. Cash is tight so no buy out and this probably is anchored by a covenant not to sue the university. He came in at a difficult time and McDavis would be hard to follow. Students wanted a liberal diverse administration.Declining enrollment and CoVID were huge challenges. I was pretty neutral on him but he has detractors. He seemed to be comfortable supporting athletics and turning out for events. Jim tressel is a superstar at YSU. Has a lifetime contract now. Great fundraiser and a very positive force in every way. As a non academic president it was considered very unusual at that time. Is OU ready for a non academic charismatic president who is an alum or worked for a long of time in Athens? Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 14,065 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/15/2021 1:38:43 PM  ytownbobcat wrote: . . .Is OU ready for a non academic charismatic president who is an alum or worked for a long of time in Athens? Is this the start of the Draft Alan Swank for president movement? The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,066 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/15/2021 5:08:13 PM  OhioCatFan wrote: ytownbobcat wrote: . . .Is OU ready for a non academic charismatic president who is an alum or worked for a long of time in Athens? Is this the start of the Draft Alan Swank for president movement? Only if I can live in the "bat house." Back to Top Mike Johnson General User Member Since: 11/11/2004 Location: North Canton, OH Post Count: 1,717 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/15/2021 6:46:40 PM  ytownbobcat wrote: I think you are spot on with the idea that they are fulfilling his contract. Cash is tight so no buy out and this probably is anchored by a covenant not to sue the university. He came in at a difficult time and McDavis would be hard to follow. Students wanted a liberal diverse administration.Declining enrollment and CoVID were huge challenges. I was pretty neutral on him but he has detractors. He seemed to be comfortable supporting athletics and turning out for events. Jim tressel is a superstar at YSU. Has a lifetime contract now. Great fundraiser and a very positive force in every way. As a non academic president it was considered very unusual at that time. Is OU ready for a non academic charismatic president who is an alum or worked for a long of time in Athens? Or perhaps the Trustees should go back to Harvard B School and land another Baker or Alden. That would be some trifecta and "cement" Ohio as Harvard on the Hocking. (Just joshing about the nickname.) http://www.facebook.com/mikejohnson.author Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,972 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/16/2021 10:52:04 AM  I'd be surprised if a new president would shake the apple cart on athletics considering how little the program spends compared to its peers in FBS. The ideal situation is to have not just programs but coaches in place. Solich has that in football and Boals is on that track in men's basketball. Could Ohio find MAC level coaches for $200k less, sure but they would be starting from scratch. I could see that type of move more likely in football going the route of promoting from within at least initially until the coach proves their worth for raise and extension. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Maddog13 General User Member Since: 12/21/2004 Location: Albuquerque, NM Post Count: 672 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/16/2021 3:18:10 PM  Zero impact. Football and basketball just need to continue to win and get national attention without any scandal. Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,066 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/16/2021 5:46:22 PM  The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Back to Top Kinggeorge4 General User Member Since: 12/22/2004 Location: Guysville, OH Post Count: 986 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/17/2021 9:09:34 PM  71 BOBCAT wrote: This situation seems very odd to me. Resign from being president to become a professor? In today's world I wonder if he was pushed out and offered a new position to fulfill his term of contract? Why didn't he stay on as president till his successor was named? This seems odd to me. Many questions need to be answered here. Bingo! It is code for being pushed out just like the former Provost. GO BOBCATS GO BOBCATS GEORGE Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,714 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/18/2021 7:59:08 AM  Alan Swank wrote: The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Freshman class had a last minute surge and is actually increasing for first time in several years. Back to Top bobcatsquared General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 5,108 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio (NT)    Posted: 5/18/2021 10:45:44 AM  Last Edited: 5/18/2021 10:46:12 AM by bobcatsquared Back to Top Alan Swank General User Member Since: 12/11/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 7,066 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/18/2021 6:00:51 PM  BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Freshman class had a last minute surge and is actually increasing for first time in several years. Ture but total undergraduate is still projected to be down. Back to Top Deciduous Forest Cat General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Ohio Post Count: 4,348 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/19/2021 10:54:15 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Freshman class had a last minute surge and is actually increasing for first time in several years. March madness bump? Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,209 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/19/2021 11:31:06 AM  Deciduous Forest Cat wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Freshman class had a last minute surge and is actually increasing for first time in several years. March madness bump? Or vaccine bump? My son wasn't planning to come back in the fall if there was only remote learning. Now that he's had his shots and it looks more and more like a semblance of normal for next fall, I think he'll be going back. When he was there in the fall of 2019 he didn't care for the classwork but liked the interaction with other students. I think a lot of high schoolers who did all remote learning or even hybrid were postponing decisions about college this fall until universities made decisions on remote vs in-person classes. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 9,714 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/20/2021 10:02:13 AM  Alan Swank wrote: BillyTheCat wrote: Alan Swank wrote: The biggest effect on sports is declining enrollment. I'm not sure what the number is but let's say for the sake of the discussion, that a student pays $750 per year in fees that go to athletics. For every 1000 students we are down, that's $750K. From 2016 to 2024, the projection is to go from 18,200 to 12,600 undergraduates on the Athens campus. That's a reduction of $4.2 million per year in the athletics budget. Where is that money going to come from to simply maintain. Freshman class had a last minute surge and is actually increasing for first time in several years. Ture but total undergraduate is still projected to be down. You have to start somewhere!!!! Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,972 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/21/2021 7:45:33 PM  3,600+ deposits for next year is not bad. Over 4 years and figuring an extra 10% for transfers and 5th year students that puts you at annualized 15,840. The projections of 12,500 undergrads were worst case scenario assuming the university continues to get outsold. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/late-surge-in-conf... The main story is the university has failed to keep up with the P5 universities from a financial perspective which has resulted in a drop off in relative academic quality which I believe started around 2005. Research dollars dropped off around that time after looking promising. Peer university list by university metrics at one point included North Carolina but was demoted in the 2010's and now it seems like moving forward its going to be an average MAC school. The university has done so much over the last 25+ on the facilities side. Buildings that could be difference makers like a rec center, student union, new hubs for journalism, medical, engineering, business colleges etc. Athletic mall with Peden/Convo upgrades, new stadiums, IPF and Academic Center were significant additions. We talk about the basketball practice facility at some point but there is not that much left that can be done to make Ohio relatively more attractive. I guess some of the new improvements like the physical sciences building and medical school we have yet to play out. Before all of these improvements students still loved the campus as it was. I continue to think the name OHIO is a brand advantage over attending a city school and a college town experience is superior to a city college experience it should be as desirable as Miami to attend. Many who attended in decades past were looking for a liberal Miami when picking this school and increasing the enrollment to an unsustainable level, putting focus on transfers in might have been good financial sense but drove away the snobbier students. Social progress at the expense of elitism. The university is not a trend setter. It follows other trends with a lag. Promote the food scene and farmers market. That was done 10 years ago at colleges. When Alden was here the university was trying to build an intellectual identity at that stage. Today we can't rely on that over UC or Kent St because you can get it online. They need activities on campus that will appeal to higher tier students if they're going to compete with the higher tier universities. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,209 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/21/2021 10:29:42 PM  The focus may have to be on the dorm experience. Kids who are away from home for the first time seem to want more privacy than a quad, triple or even double room offers. I know my son (an only child) found it difficult getting used to a roommate, and I've heard similar stories from other parents. He has a single in a six-person mod (they share a bathroom) on the South Green (Wray House) lined up for next year and seems to be happier with that. Plus the concrete block walls in the East Green freshman dorms have the feel of an unfinished basement. A little drywall would help. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,840 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/21/2021 10:47:23 PM  Club Hyatt wrote: 3,600+ deposits for next year is not bad. Over 4 years and figuring an extra 10% for transfers and 5th year students that puts you at annualized 15,840. The projections of 12,500 undergrads were worst case scenario assuming the university continues to get outsold. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/late-surge-in-conf... The main story is the university has failed to keep up with the P5 universities from a financial perspective which has resulted in a drop off in relative academic quality which I believe started around 2005. Research dollars dropped off around that time after looking promising. Peer university list by university metrics at one point included North Carolina but was demoted in the 2010's and now it seems like moving forward its going to be an average MAC school. The university has done so much over the last 25+ on the facilities side. Buildings that could be difference makers like a rec center, student union, new hubs for journalism, medical, engineering, business colleges etc. Athletic mall with Peden/Convo upgrades, new stadiums, IPF and Academic Center were significant additions. We talk about the basketball practice facility at some point but there is not that much left that can be done to make Ohio relatively more attractive. I guess some of the new improvements like the physical sciences building and medical school we have yet to play out. Before all of these improvements students still loved the campus as it was. I continue to think the name OHIO is a brand advantage over attending a city school and a college town experience is superior to a city college experience it should be as desirable as Miami to attend. Many who attended in decades past were looking for a liberal Miami when picking this school and increasing the enrollment to an unsustainable level, putting focus on transfers in might have been good financial sense but drove away the snobbier students. Social progress at the expense of elitism. The university is not a trend setter. It follows other trends with a lag. Promote the food scene and farmers market. That was done 10 years ago at colleges. When Alden was here the university was trying to build an intellectual identity at that stage. Today we can't rely on that over UC or Kent St because you can get it online. They need activities on campus that will appeal to higher tier students if they're going to compete with the higher tier universities. Don't underestimate the impact of the coverage of the death of the young man from Dublin, Ohio. Can't hold the university responsible for the irresponsible actions of fraternities. Back to Top Campus Flow General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Post Count: 4,972 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/22/2021 1:42:55 AM  SBH wrote: Club Hyatt wrote: 3,600+ deposits for next year is not bad. Over 4 years and figuring an extra 10% for transfers and 5th year students that puts you at annualized 15,840. The projections of 12,500 undergrads were worst case scenario assuming the university continues to get outsold. https://www.athensnews.com/news/campus/late-surge-in-conf... The main story is the university has failed to keep up with the P5 universities from a financial perspective which has resulted in a drop off in relative academic quality which I believe started around 2005. Research dollars dropped off around that time after looking promising. Peer university list by university metrics at one point included North Carolina but was demoted in the 2010's and now it seems like moving forward its going to be an average MAC school. The university has done so much over the last 25+ on the facilities side. Buildings that could be difference makers like a rec center, student union, new hubs for journalism, medical, engineering, business colleges etc. Athletic mall with Peden/Convo upgrades, new stadiums, IPF and Academic Center were significant additions. We talk about the basketball practice facility at some point but there is not that much left that can be done to make Ohio relatively more attractive. I guess some of the new improvements like the physical sciences building and medical school we have yet to play out. Before all of these improvements students still loved the campus as it was. I continue to think the name OHIO is a brand advantage over attending a city school and a college town experience is superior to a city college experience it should be as desirable as Miami to attend. Many who attended in decades past were looking for a liberal Miami when picking this school and increasing the enrollment to an unsustainable level, putting focus on transfers in might have been good financial sense but drove away the snobbier students. Social progress at the expense of elitism. The university is not a trend setter. It follows other trends with a lag. Promote the food scene and farmers market. That was done 10 years ago at colleges. When Alden was here the university was trying to build an intellectual identity at that stage. Today we can't rely on that over UC or Kent St because you can get it online. They need activities on campus that will appeal to higher tier students if they're going to compete with the higher tier universities. Don't underestimate the impact of the coverage of the death of the young man from Dublin, Ohio. Can't hold the university responsible for the irresponsible actions of fraternities. Definitely I agree negative news hurt the university. Articles about OU's block party arrests tainted the university image for parents. Articles that were now online and searchable for any parent to research unlike decades ago. Even when I was coming up in high school I had a physics teacher try to tell me not to go to OU because it was a party school. I argued with him that I didn't see how it is relevant to the quality of a university. In my career explorers event I asked the engineers about party school rep. Their response was they're all party schools. Every college has a way to get substances in the hands of kids should they seek it. They all have a greek system. Ohio's parties are bigger/better than other places, particularly regional commuter schools. Parties were comparable to a P5 college at their height. The teacher was a Toledo grad, my guess it is jealousy. It doesn't mean you'll have to get involved with that scene if you attend. Its sad to see Ohio saddled with that rep. I once had a recruiter from the Dayton area years ago tell me a lot of "bad" people go there. I don't even know what the comment was supposed to be about. There are so many different ways you can be "bad". Michael Jackson was bad in his own unique way. Most Memorable Bobcat Events Attended 2010 97-83 win over Georgetown in NCAA 1st round 2012 45-13 victory over ULM in the Independence Bowl 2015 34-3 drubbing of Miami @ Peden front of 25,086 Back to Top SBH General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 3,840 Status: Offline     RE: Nellis leaving- how does that affect sports at Ohio    Posted: 5/22/2021 9:46:18 AM  I was told by a university administrator several years ago that the well publicized time-change riots outside Court Street bars were traced to the loss of 500 incoming freshman the next year. Our image problem is caused by students themselves. I'm not sure how we can blame administrators. About 30 years ago, I was surprised to see an article on the front page of the Akron paper concerning the launch of an art-film festival in Athens. The Akron reviewer spent much of the article bemoaning the fact that there were drunk and loud students in some of the showings he attended. The paper's editors decided to support the text with an illustration of a drunk "hippie' wearing an OU T-shirt. I was pissed, to say the least, and called to complain, but the damage was done. Bottom line, too many students demonstrate too little respect for their own school during their time in Athens. Last Edited: 5/22/2021 9:49:44 AM by SBH Back to Top Showing Replies:   1 - 25  of 40 Posts Jump to Page:   1 | 2    Next > View Other 'Ohio Football' Topics                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               WHO'S ONLINE There are 216 Active Visitors on BobcatAttack.com 216 Guests 0 Registered Users There are no other users looking at this page.

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