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Very interesting article about one college which added football and another college that dropped football. Both schools have prospered since. Back to Top Recovering Journalist General User Member Since: 8/17/2010 Location: Cleveland, OH Post Count: 1,856 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/1/2020 11:37:00 PM  It’s interesting. Northeastern was FCS and infamously won at Ohio in their final season. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/sports/dropping-footba... Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,465 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/4/2020 12:40:46 PM  Recovering Journalist wrote: It’s interesting. Northeastern was FCS and infamously won at Ohio in their final season. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/sports/dropping-footba... It wasn't just a loss for Ohio. It was a flat-out embarrassment: 31-0. That was in 2002, seven years before they dropped the program. As for the article, it's largely a matter of having a small school in a major city that's dominated by pro sports and few more prominent universities vs a small school basically in the boonies. And Anna Maria is in D3 so it's not saddled with scholarships. Northeastern was 1AA and was burdened with scholarships while facing dwindling attendance at games. Just dropping the program helped the bottom line. They attract students by focusing on what they're good at academically. We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top BryanHall General User Member Since: 9/11/2010 Post Count: 615 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/4/2020 1:10:54 PM  Pataskala wrote: Recovering Journalist wrote: It’s interesting. Northeastern was FCS and infamously won at Ohio in their final season. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/27/sports/dropping-footba... It wasn't just a loss for Ohio. It was a flat-out embarrassment: 31-0. That was in 2002, seven years before they dropped the program. As for the article, it's largely a matter of having a small school in a major city that's dominated by pro sports and few more prominent universities vs a small school basically in the boonies. And Anna Maria is in D3 so it's not saddled with scholarships. Northeastern was 1AA and was burdened with scholarships while facing dwindling attendance at games. Just dropping the program helped the bottom line. They attract students by focusing on what they're good at academically. It also helped Anna Maria quietly move away from its "female school" reputation. It's a good article, but it is comparing apples to oranges as you point out. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,578 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/4/2020 5:58:57 PM  Here's another article, this one from last month: https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20191203/jacksonville... FCS school Jacksonville State, who played in the non-scholarship Pioneer league, made the decision to give up football entirely. FCS is rough - they don't get much revenue, and they have many of the same expenses. Even without having the expenses of scholarships, Jacksonville State found it to be too expensive. It's no wonder that so many FCS schools try to escape up to FBS, where they get a lot more revenue (bowl money, conference money, higher attendance, bigger paychecks from "money games"), as well as the benefit of visibility. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,676 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/5/2020 7:47:29 AM  L.C. wrote: Here's another article, this one from last month: https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20191203/jacksonville... FCS school Jacksonville State, who played in the non-scholarship Pioneer league, made the decision to give up football entirely. FCS is rough - they don't get much revenue, and they have many of the same expenses. Even without having the expenses of scholarships, Jacksonville State found it to be too expensive. It's no wonder that so many FCS schools try to escape up to FBS, where they get a lot more revenue (bowl money, conference money, higher attendance, bigger paychecks from "money games"), as well as the benefit of visibility. Was Jacksonville in the same non-scholarship Pioneer league as VALPO? Asking for a friend. Last Edited: 1/5/2020 7:47:45 AM by BillyTheCat Back to Top OhioCatFan General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Athens, OH Post Count: 15,259 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/6/2020 12:09:52 AM  BillyTheCat wrote: L.C. wrote: Here's another article, this one from last month: https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20191203/jacksonville... FCS school Jacksonville State, who played in the non-scholarship Pioneer league, made the decision to give up football entirely. FCS is rough - they don't get much revenue, and they have many of the same expenses. Even without having the expenses of scholarships, Jacksonville State found it to be too expensive. It's no wonder that so many FCS schools try to escape up to FBS, where they get a lot more revenue (bowl money, conference money, higher attendance, bigger paychecks from "money games"), as well as the benefit of visibility. Was Jacksonville in the same non-scholarship Pioneer league as VALPO? Asking for a friend. My friend says to tell your friend that that's a distinct possibility! ;-) The only BLSS Certified Hypocrite on BA "It is better to be an optimist and be proven a fool than to be a pessimist and be proven right." Note: My avatar is the national colors of the 78th Ohio Veteran Volunteer Infantry, which are now preserved in a climate controlled vault at the Ohio History Connection. Learn more about the old 78th at: http://www.78ohio.org Back to Top Jeff McKinney Moderator Member Since: 11/12/2004 Post Count: 6,161 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/6/2020 12:57:24 AM  It was Jacksonville University, not Jacksonville State, who played in the Div I non scholarship Pioneer League with Valpo. They did drop their program. Jacksonville State, from Alabama, plays in the OVC. Back to Top BillyTheCat General User Member Since: 10/6/2012 Post Count: 10,676 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/6/2020 6:43:05 AM  Jeff McKinney wrote: It was Jacksonville University, not Jacksonville State, who played in the Div I non scholarship Pioneer League with Valpo. They did drop their program. Jacksonville State, from Alabama, plays in the OVC. Correct, the Dolphins Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,578 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/6/2020 8:01:36 AM  Sorry, my error, I should have said Jacksonville University. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top First Street Forever General User Member Since: 12/19/2010 Location: Chicago, IL Post Count: 247 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/6/2020 7:16:42 PM  Didn't that loss spur Boeh into sending out the infamous "football letter" to alumni? Or maybe it was later that season? I don't endorse the furry lifestyle, but when the Bobkitten is involved things can change mighty quickly... Back to Top OUcats82 General User Member Since: 1/9/2005 Location: Cincinnati, OH Post Count: 1,902 Status: Offline     RE: "On Football, Paths of 2 Colleges Diverge"    Posted: 1/7/2020 2:11:22 PM  First Street Forever wrote: Didn't that loss spur Boeh into sending out the infamous "football letter" to alumni? Or maybe it was later that season? I remember reading a letter in The Post along those lines. Such a letter was a bit later in the season IIRC. Distinctly remember first seeing it while thumbing through in The Front Room in old Baker. 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