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This class will be rated low, I hope we have some players here, after watching the videos, I do see some players. We have to do better at recruiting, if we will win the MAC. We have had three players make the post season all-state team. I do like the speed and size of some of our recruits. The Motley and Tupa offers were dropped early on, this does not mean that they can't play it just means that others moved on from them. We have had people like Lavon that had no offers and went on to the NFL, that could happen here, but the coaches have to start winning in the living room. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 8:07:28 AM  allen wrote: I appreciate your enthusiasm and support for the staff. This class will be rated low, I hope we have some players here, after watching the videos, I do see some players. We have to do better at recruiting, if we will win the MAC. We have had three players make the post season all-state team. I do like the speed and size of some of our recruits. The Motley and Tupa offers were dropped early on, this does not mean that they can't play it just means that others moved on from them. We have had people like Lavon that had no offers and went on to the NFL, that could happen here, but the coaches have to start winning in the living room. "This class will be rated low" Probably, but, by the same people who had no clue about LaVon, Travis Carrie, Khalil Mack or that #1 pick Erik Fisher or that Heisman finalist Jordan Lynch, so that means squat to me. You say "the coaches have to start winning in the living room." Your implication is that they are not. Recent classes are being settled earlier and earlier which is a clear indication that they are winning in the living room and getting players they, not necessarily the services, have highly rated. This season Ohio's LBs Johnson, Poling and Brown were all like that. But, if you really have to have stars and offers check out Lowery and McCray. This class has plenty of players who chose Ohio over Toledo, Bowling Green, Western Michigan and the rest. Will Evans' video is one you need to watch. Not sure why you seem to finish almost every post with a dig of some kind. Your cherry on top I guess. Last Edited: 1/31/2016 9:03:31 AM by Bcat2 "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 8:23:17 AM  I think that the single largest factor that the services use in rating recruiting classes is the size of the class (which is silly). Since this is a small class, when all is said and done I fully expect that it will be rated last in the MAC, regardless of who is in it. Is this a good class? A bad class? Ask me in a couple years. You don't have to wait 5 years to know, but it does take a little while. It wasn't until about 2012 that we knew how bad the 2010 class was, for example. I don't think this class is remotely in the league with 2010, by the way. It looks like a group of athletes similar to the last few years, but just smaller in number, so in my mind it's a middle of the MAC type class. Last Edited: 1/31/2016 8:23:57 AM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 9:20:00 AM  We need to win in the living room, period. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top The Optimist General User Member Since: 3/16/2007 Location: CLE Post Count: 5,561 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 9:29:55 AM  I don't understand what you mean with your comment on the Motley twins. I thought they had some of the more impressive offers of all our recruits. I've seen crazier things happen. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 9:50:13 AM  allen wrote: We need to win in the living room, period. It used to be that Ohio rarely was able to recruit a kid that had another MAC offer, and they had to rely on identifying kids with talent that had been overlooked. These days they win more than they lose. I think they just need to keep setting higher and higher targets for what they are after. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 11:49:51 AM  L.C. wrote: allen wrote: We need to win in the living room, period. It used to be that Ohio rarely was able to recruit a kid that had another MAC offer, and they had to rely on identifying kids with talent that had been overlooked. These days they win more than they lose. I think they just need to keep setting higher and higher targets for what they are after. I agree, be should be able to beat out MAC programs now and Power 5 conferences, when early playing time is available. WMU, Toledo and BGSU are doing this. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 12:17:15 PM  allen wrote: We need to win in the living room, period. Get back to you on Wednesday about this. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 12:24:29 PM  Bcat2 wrote: allen wrote: We need to win in the living room, period. Get back to you on Wednesday about this. I hope you are right. Go Cats Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top UpSan Bobcat General User Member Since: 8/30/2005 Location: Upper Sandusky, OH Post Count: 3,796 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 1:19:05 PM  L.C. wrote: allen wrote: We need to win in the living room, period. It used to be that Ohio rarely was able to recruit a kid that had another MAC offer, and they had to rely on identifying kids with talent that had been overlooked. These days they win more than they lose. I think they just need to keep setting higher and higher targets for what they are after. I'd say I agree with you both. The recruiting now is way better than it used to be; that certainly is undeniable. But there are other MAC teams that seem to win more head-to-head battles against Ohio and definitely others that are able to convince a few more guys to pass on lower-level "power conference" offers. Ohio has been above average at identifying under-the-radar guys, which is important too, but if Ohio can keep doing that, plus throw in some guys who are more highly rated to begin with, that would really be a great combination. I think it would add to the roster's depth, which would be a big boost. Back to Top Bobcatzblitz General User Member Since: 7/21/2010 Post Count: 1,727 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 1:19:06 PM  Ohio does need to win in the living room and they usually do the problem is winning in the living room of a recruit like Roger Lewis at least once every 4-5 years would be NICE. 2/3 star guys should never be an issue for Ohio University but if you can get one or two 4 star guys now thats gonna really help your recruiting. Look at what Boise St did during their run to the upper echelon. Maybe even Marshall which made the leap from D1AA granted they cut a lot of corners but no reason Ohio cannot do the same with quality recruits. Back to Top Pataskala General User Member Since: 7/8/2010 Location: At least six feet away from anybody else Post Count: 9,292 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 1:32:08 PM  Or maybe we need to win in the driveway: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/14672796/n... We will get by. We will get by. We will get by. We will survive. Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 3:20:51 PM  Bobcatzblitz wrote: Ohio does need to win in the living room and they usually do the problem is winning in the living room of a recruit like Roger Lewis at least once every 4-5 years would be NICE. ... In fairness, they DID win in the living room of Roger Lewis, but unfortunately he turned out not to be available at the time. Unfortunately they didn't win the rematch a year or two later. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 3:54:02 PM  L.C. wrote: Bobcatzblitz wrote: Ohio does need to win in the living room and they usually do the problem is winning in the living room of a recruit like Roger Lewis at least once every 4-5 years would be NICE. ... In fairness, they DID win in the living room of Roger Lewis, but unfortunately he turned out not to be available at the time. Unfortunately they didn't win the rematch a year or two later. So, in a sense, Solich has won a MACC. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 4:58:56 PM  As I said, they win in the living room more often than they lose, anymore. After the final recruiting is out, I'll compute Ohio's record against other MAC schools again, as I have for prior years. As for Lewis, it's unfortunate that Roger Lewis had to go through the legal troubles that he had, or he'd have been a Bobcat. As you recall, those legal proceedings were instituted against him on the eve of signing day, after he had committed to Ohio. Obviously, after the legal proceedings were announced, no one was going to sign him until the had cleared his name. I do have to admit that I've always wondered if part of the reason he reconsidered was the hostility shown towards him on BA when his difficulties were announced, and during the ongoing proceedings. There were a lot of posts at the time about how they didn't want that type of person in green and white. In the end, got their wish, so I don't think it's fair to complain now. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top BuddyLee General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 668 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 5:09:28 PM  Doubt it. I think he saw the type of offense and qb that BG had and saw bigger numbers there. We don't emote that type of excitement to skill players. Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 8:48:49 PM  L.C. wrote: As I said, they win in the living room more often than they lose, anymore. After the final recruiting is out, I'll compute Ohio's record against other MAC schools again, as I have for prior years. As for Lewis, it's unfortunate that Roger Lewis had to go through the legal troubles that he had, or he'd have been a Bobcat. As you recall, those legal proceedings were instituted against him on the eve of signing day, after he had committed to Ohio. Obviously, after the legal proceedings were announced, no one was going to sign him until the had cleared his name. I do have to admit that I've always wondered if part of the reason he reconsidered was the hostility shown towards him on BA when his difficulties were announced, and during the ongoing proceedings. There were a lot of posts at the time about how they didn't want that type of person in green and white. In the end, got their wish, so I don't think it's fair to complain now. Good call. Only positive opinions allowed here. I admit that i don't read any other msg boards. But I gotta think this board, and that of any other MAC school, have to be remarkably benign compared to real college football. Quit posting stuff that's anything but 100% positive, you guys. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 10:19:21 PM  Monroe Slavin wrote: Good call. Only positive opinions allowed here. ... No one said that they couldn't post negative stuff. I won't even venture into the realm of the question of whether it would be a good thing to have taken him or not; some people may believe that it's just as well he didn't come. My only comment was that it wouldn't be right for the specific people who said that they didn't want him to come back later and complain because Ohio didn't get him. If one's principles are that people accused of rape are not welcome, then those principles should be unaffected by how good or not good a player is. Getting back on track, in recent years Ohio has won about 75% of recruiting battles against other MAC schools. I kind of expect similar results this year, when all is said and done. If they want to raise the quality of the class, winning more will help a little, but raising standards is the real answer. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top allen General User Member Since: 1/24/2006 Post Count: 4,635 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 1/31/2016 10:36:14 PM  L.C. wrote: Monroe Slavin wrote: Good call. Only positive opinions allowed here. ... No one said that they couldn't post negative stuff. I won't even venture into the realm of the question of whether it would be a good thing to have taken him or not; some people may believe that it's just as well he didn't come. My only comment was that it wouldn't be right for the specific people who said that they didn't want him to come back later and complain because Ohio didn't get him. If one's principles are that people accused of rape are not welcome, then those principles should be unaffected by how good or not good a player is. Getting back on track, in recent years Ohio has won about 75% of recruiting battles against other MAC schools. I kind of expect similar results this year, when all is said and done. If they want to raise the quality of the class, winning more will help a little, but raising standards is the real answer. Try 25%, 75% no way, the good news is we can improve. The campus is great, the coaching situation is stable and the exposure is pretty good. Nobody despises to lose more than I do. That's got me into trouble over the years, but it also made a man of mediocre ability into a pretty good coach. Woody Hayes Back to Top L.C. General User Member Since: 8/31/2005 Location: United States Post Count: 10,270 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/1/2016 1:38:16 PM  allen wrote: Try 25%, 75% no way, the good news is we can improve. The campus is great, the coaching situation is stable and the exposure is pretty good. I can't find my numbers for last year, so I may have to make them again. Here are the numbers from 2013 and 2014: 2013: v. Toledo 3-2 v. Akron 3-0 v. Ball St 4-0 V. Kent 1-0 v. WMU 3-0 v. Miami 1-1 v. Buffalo 0-1 v. CMU 2-0 v. EMU 0-1 Total 17-5 77% 2014: v. Akron 5-0 v. Buffalo 3-0 v. EMU 2-0 v. Ball St 2-0 v. Kent 6-1 v. WMU 4-1 v. Toledo 4-3 v. Miami 1-1 v. BG 4-5 Total 31-11 74% Note - these numbers include only players that actually chose one school or the other. If, for example, a player had an offer from Ohio and and offer from Toledo, but chose to go to Illinois, it would count as neither a win or loss. As a comparison that shows that Ohio is making progress, I also found these old numbers for 2009: v. Ball St 0-3 v. Toledo 0-3 v. Miami 2-5 v. BG 1-3 v. Akron 1-2 v. WMU 0-2 v. NIU 0-1 v. CMU 0-1 v. Kent 0-1 v. Temple 0-1 V. Buffalo 3-0 v. EMU 4-0 Total 11-22 33% I can't find numbers for 2006-7, but I'm sure they were worse than these. On the win side there were none in 2005, 7 in 2006, 10 in 2007, and 15 in 2008, and 7 in 2010, but I have no record of the losses. To show how the math works, suppose you have 4 teams and 4 players, and each team offers each player. If each team gets one player, they each beat 3 teams on that one player, and lost to three teams on the other three players. Thus they are each at 50%. Thus 50% doesn't mean you get half the players. It means you get the same share as if choices were random. If one team gets 2 of the 4 players, they beat 6 teams (3 on each player), and lost to 2, so they are at 75%, so 75% doesn't mean they get 75% of the players, but it does mean that they get about twice their share if choices were random. Last Edited: 2/1/2016 2:04:35 PM by L.C. “We have two ears and one mouth so that we can listen twice as much as we speak.” ― Epictetus Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/1/2016 2:31:41 PM  L.C. wrote: allen wrote: Try 25%, 75% no way, the good news is we can improve. The campus is great, the coaching situation is stable and the exposure is pretty good. I can't find my numbers for last year, so I may have to make them again. Here are the numbers from 2013 and 2014: 2013: v. Toledo 3-2 v. Akron 3-0 v. Ball St 4-0 V. Kent 1-0 v. WMU 3-0 v. Miami 1-1 v. Buffalo 0-1 v. CMU 2-0 v. EMU 0-1 Total 17-5 77% 2014: v. Akron 5-0 v. Buffalo 3-0 v. EMU 2-0 v. Ball St 2-0 v. Kent 6-1 v. WMU 4-1 v. Toledo 4-3 v. Miami 1-1 v. BG 4-5 Total 31-11 74% Note - these numbers include only players that actually chose one school or the other. If, for example, a player had an offer from Ohio and and offer from Toledo, but chose to go to Illinois, it would count as neither a win or loss. As a comparison that shows that Ohio is making progress, I also found these old numbers for 2009: v. Ball St 0-3 v. Toledo 0-3 v. Miami 2-5 v. BG 1-3 v. Akron 1-2 v. WMU 0-2 v. NIU 0-1 v. CMU 0-1 v. Kent 0-1 v. Temple 0-1 V. Buffalo 3-0 v. EMU 4-0 Total 11-22 33% I can't find numbers for 2006-7, but I'm sure they were worse than these. On the win side there were none in 2005, 7 in 2006, 10 in 2007, and 15 in 2008, and 7 in 2010, but I have no record of the losses. To show how the math works, suppose you have 4 teams and 4 players, and each team offers each player. If each team gets one player, they each beat 3 teams on that one player, and lost to three teams on the other three players. Thus they are each at 50%. Thus 50% doesn't mean you get half the players. It means you get the same share as if choices were random. If one team gets 2 of the 4 players, they beat 6 teams (3 on each player), and lost to 2, so they are at 75%, so 75% doesn't mean they get 75% of the players, but it does mean that they get about twice their share if choices were random. So, I take from the above, Ohio is winning in the living room. Thanks L. C.. "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/1/2016 8:41:52 PM  Maybe....But this doesn't tell us how much either school (Ohio or other offering school) wanted a guy. Also doesn't do much to tell us the quality of the guys that a school did get. It's mildly amusing but more getting caught up in stuff that doesn't matter. What matters is MACC and wins against the teams who are not gimmes. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! DesignspiritUSA.com The Pets On The Go Collection of pet gear travel bags The Holiday Tote Bigg Bagg Collection--over-sized, reversible, extra pockets; now love carrying packages as much as you love shopping! Back to Top BuddyLee General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Post Count: 668 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/1/2016 9:30:00 PM  http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTale... 247 sports does not think our roster stacks up with the rest of the Mac recruiting for talent. Back to Top Bcat2 General User Member Since: 7/6/2010 Post Count: 4,295 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/1/2016 11:44:46 PM  BuddyLee wrote: http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTale... 247 sports does not think our roster stacks up with the rest of the Mac recruiting for talent. Interesting, these geniuses give minimum scores of .70 to Wells, Basham, Johnson, Powell, McQueen, Lucas and had no rating for Provitt, Ouelette or Blair Brown. Tell me why they have more credibility than Ohio's coaches? "Do not pray for easy lives. Pray to be stronger men." JFK Back to Top Monroe Slavin General User Member Since: 12/20/2004 Location: Oxnard, CA Post Count: 9,121 Status: Offline     RE: Beefing up offers    Posted: 2/2/2016 3:01:07 AM  It may have to do with the number of guys in the class. As for your 100% unquestioning support of the coaches, our sched annually has 4-6 gimmes. But in the last 3.5 years, we've manage to get absolutely blasted several times a year. That being the case, to think that our coaches are anything above average is unrealistic if you're being anything near reasonably objective. Which, it would be nice for once, for you to admit that you are not. Remmeber--I was the biggest Solich honk on this board until about a ten or a dozen games after the loss to Miami after the 7-0 start. So, I see both sides of it. Where's the band?! WHERE"S THE BAND?! 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