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L.C.
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QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/28/2015 5:12:19 PM

Most of us would like to see Ohio land a very good QB in this class. They actually have the QB they wanted from 2014, after he spent a year in Minnesota as a WR, and they have a QB coming in for 2015 who I think may be good, but we all agree that Ohio needs to get a good QB every year. So, with that introduction, who are the QBs that Ohio has offered this year? Listed in order of decreasing point value, using "ranked by offers":

Gone:
David Moore, Alpharetta, GA 782.65, 3-Star/84 Verbal to SMU
Thomas MacVittie, Cincinnati, OH 239.95, 3-Star/85 Verbal to Pitt
Max Gilliam, Thousand Oaks, CA 208.65 3-Star/85, Verbal to Cal

Uncommitted:
Jarrett Guarantano, Oradell, NJ 2,578.96, 4-Star/95
Joshua Jackson, Saline, MI 756.52, 3-Star/87, 3-Star/87
Aidan Smith, Fort Wayne, IN 295.07, 3-Star/85
Skylar Thompson, Independence, MO 177.05, 3-Star/87
Drayton Arnold, Myrtle Beach, SC 111.95, 3-Star/82
Aidan Hegarty, Hilton Head Island, SC 59.61

Doc's wish list is for Drayton Arnold. That seems like a good shot, since Ohio landed a teammate of his in the class of 2014, Kyle Belack. Here's his HUDL:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1582411/drayton-arnold

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/28/2015 9:50:26 PM

As a comparison, the points from players last year:
Deontai Williams 1266
Jeff Christian 736
Javon Hagan 549
Elijah Ball 507
Maxwell Howell 441
Sam McKnight 385
Austin Pleasants 182

Most Ohio recruits tend to be in the 120-182 range, but they land a few players with higher points. Most of the QBs on the list are certainly possible.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/28/2015 10:41:19 PM

That unranked kid from HHI looks like he's got some potential. He has an awkward throwing motion and I think the competition looks kind of lame, but he looks to me like a kid that could be "coached up." I'd be interested in the comments of some of those who are better at assessing talent than I am.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/29/2015 7:50:30 AM

On paper Windham is the highest recruited QB in our program. He has not yet been able to break through. Starting year 4 in our program after RS and disciplinary year.
I think Krizancic only played QB 1 year in HS hence Minnesota recruited him as a WR.
Our other new QB could be very good but from the film I saw he did not play at a high level of HS ball. There could be a lengthily adjustment to D1.
I think we will lineup with Vick/Sprague/Windham and Duckworth.
It would be nice if somebody would really breakout.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/29/2015 8:27:01 PM

L.C. wrote:

Doc's wish list is for Drayton Arnold. That seems like a good shot, since Ohio landed a teammate of his in the class of 2014, Kyle Belack. Here's his HUDL:
http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1582411/drayton-arnold

That's an interesting shotgun formation. He's 7 yards deep. I wonder what the logic is there.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/29/2015 8:53:30 PM

I agree, C. Money. Also, he frequently rolls and/or drops deeper. I suspect it means a leaky offensive line, and they want him to have time. Here are Hudls for some of the others:

Hegarty http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2559177/aidan-hegarty
Thompson http://www.hudl.com/athlete/4398/skylar-thompson
Jackson http://www.hudl.com/athlete/1362298/joshua-jackson

I really like Jackson. He has offers from Northwestern, Air Force, BC, BG, EMU, Miami (OH), Minnesota, Syracuse, Toledo, Utah, and WV, so he's probably a long shot.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/29/2015 10:22:12 PM

L.C. wrote:

I agree, C. Money. Also, he frequently rolls and/or drops deeper. I suspect it means a leaky offensive line, and they want him to have time.

Possibly something to that. Lots of vertical routes and throws 15+ yards, and when he has a RB in the backfield with him the RB is looking to block first instead of running a route.

He's got some skill, and throws a nice deep ball. I'm not sold that this is the QB I want, but I'm intrigued.

Last Edited: 4/29/2015 10:22:32 PM by C Money

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 12:16:47 PM

L.C. wrote:

(The Bobcats) have a QB coming in for 2015 who I think may be good, but we all agree that Ohio needs to get a good QB every year.

Not looking to challenge this assertion, but what makes you feel confident about Quinton Maxwell? If I'm not mistaken, this is a guy who finished his senior season around .500 in what many on here described a weak conference and received no other scholarship offers. I do like that he combined for over 5,000 yards in his career rushing and passing. But, as was mentioned before, lets look at two rivals and the QBs they have on their rosters (BGSU and Miami). These are not programs that should be out-recruiting us. Yet they seem to be doing so consistently at the most important position.

BGSU:
most recent signee: James Morgan, 4 star signee who was rated by 24/7 as the 17th best pro-style QB in country. Rated #1 QB in Wisconsin. His passing numbers make Maxwell's look miniscule in comparison.

Also on the roster:
James Knapke--only QB in Indiana HS history to win three state titles, was All-State QB, owns conference all-time record for passing yards and touchdowns.

Matt Johnson--returning starter, graduated HS as the 5th all-time in Pennsylvania passing yards (7,944) and 8th all-time in TDs (85). All-State his senior season, was 39-5 as a starter.

Nolan Dieter--all-state his senior season, 5,815 yards, 72 touchdowns in HS. Came in via transfer from Indiana.

Cody Callaway--over 7,000 yards passing (Lorain County (OH) record) with 69 touchdowns. 2nd team All-State.

Miami (OH):
recent commits:
Noah Wezensky, 3 star Pro Style QB from Fort Wayne, IN. Has offers from three other MAC schools.
Riley Lees, 2 star Dual Threat QB from Libertyville, IL. Has offers from 6 other schools, including Iowa.
Recent Signee:
Billy Bahl, 3 star Pro Style recruit from Woodstock, IL. Offers from 11 other schools, including Rutgers and UConn.
Kyle Kramer, 2 star Pro Style recruit from Glenbard, IL. No other offers.
On roster:
Gus Ragland, 2 star Dual Threat QB, no other offers.
(transferred) Tommy Tupa, 2 star Pro-Style QB, four other offers, including OHIO and Marshall.
Also on roster: Drew Kummer, Ruggiero DeLuca, Austin Gearing (ranked #87 in all of Ohio by ScoutingOhio.com), Jack Penn.

It's just frustrating to see all these decorated QBs at other schools, while OHIO is having to consistently find diamonds in the rough. I hope Quinton turns into something great, but there's little in his past to show that he'll be a stud here.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 1:05:32 PM

finnOhio wrote:

L.C. wrote:

(The Bobcats) have a QB coming in for 2015 who I think may be good, but we all agree that Ohio needs to get a good QB every year.

Duckworth was a 3 star, but I'd have to agree with you. Don't know why we don't do better recruiting in this area.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 1:46:04 PM

finnOhio wrote:

Not looking to challenge this assertion, but what makes you feel confident about Quinton Maxwell?...

I have nothing major to base it on. He's a multi-sport athlete, a leader, has the size you look for in a QB, and mostly, I liked his film. It's always tough to judge a guy when he's on a bad team, so I'm just hoping I'm right.

The flip side is that, even though he was a three star, I didn't feel that confident about James Walsh for the reverse reason - his high school offensive line was so incredibly good, with I think 4 all-conference and 2 all-state linemen in front of him. With that much talent up front, a QB is going to look better than he might in another setting.

Now I'll ask you about part of your post:

finnOhio wrote:

... These are not programs that should be out-recruiting us. ...

Both have stronger football traditions, and both have had strong recruiting for years. From a wishful thinking standpoint, I'd like to see Ohio out-recruiting everyone, but from a practical standpoint, it's difficult for me to say what "should" or "shouldn't" be happening.

I do think that Ohio has been steadily improving in recruiting, and on the whole is recruiting in the top half of the MAC, finally, except, for whatever reason, at QB. I don't know why Ohio hasn't had stronger recruiting at QB.

Last Edited: 4/30/2015 1:56:42 PM by L.C.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 3:14:12 PM

I honestly just picked two teams. While they do have richer traditions, they don't have more established coaches, better facilities, or more recent success. Just for fun, I picked a third team in our conference, Buffalo. Just like the other two, I didn't know what I was going to get, but here's what they've got on their roster:

Coming in (just signed): Tyree Jackson from Muskegon, MI, a 3-star dual threat QB. Offers from four other teams, including UConn.

On roster:
Chris Merchant, a reshirt-freshman 3 star recruit, was the #1 ranked QB in Canada.

Joe Licata, ranked as a top 80 QB in the nation his senior year. New York State Player of the Year. All-time leader in TD passes in Western NY history, 83.

Collin Michael, a junior next year from Ohio. Was listed as the #4 QB in the state his senior year, our own state! Scout.com had him listed as the #41 QB in the country. Offers from other schools, including Temple.

Tony Daniel, a senior next year from Georgia. Was listed as the #102 QB his senior year by ESPN.

Not sure what I'd come up with from other teams, but I'm going to guess it's more decorated than our group.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 4:26:39 PM

Fair enough.

I honestly have no idea why Ohio has struggled to land top QB recruits. It's actually better now than it was, though it would be hard to be worse. Here's a list of all the Freshman QB recruits (not counting transfers and JUCOs) since 2003:
2003 - Everson, Jefferson (moved to WR)
2004 - Petruziello (transferred, ended at John Caroll)
2005 - Febus (played sparingly), Jones (injured, played sparingly)
2006 - none
2007 - Sweeney (injured, never played)
2008 - none
2009 - Tettleton
2010 - Snyder (transferred to SE Missouri St)
2011 - Vick, Bell (transferred, now at Georgia St)
2012 - Windham
2013 - none (Walsh bailed at the last minute)
2014 - Duckworth
2015 - Maxwell

In the 6 years from 2003-2008, there was ony one Freshman recruit that ended up a starting QB, Everson. In the next 5 years, from 2009-2013, there were at least two, Tettleton and Vick, with Windham still playing, and a shot to be a starter at some point in the future. Hopefully the 2014+ recruits will be better yet.

Thanks to transfer Bower, plus JUCOs T3 and Boo, Ohio had some decent QB play over the years, but Freshman QB recruiting has always been an adventure.

Last Edited: 4/30/2015 10:31:54 PM by L.C.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 4/30/2015 10:47:37 PM

It has to be the offense that we run. QB's take a lot of punishment in our system.
Lot of injuries over the last few years.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/1/2015 3:37:11 AM

I'm trying to think of QB injuries:
1. In 2006 Everson had an ankle sprain against Akron, and he might have been running the ball, but I'm not sure. He missed the Miami game from the injury.
2. In 2008 Scott took a hit against Ohio State on a sack, and had a broken collarbone, and missed the rest of the year.
3. In 2012 TT took a shot to the ribs against Marshall, and I think he was running the ball at the time. He missed the Norfolk State game.
4. In 2014 Vick had an ankle sprain on a fluke play when a defender rolled under his knee after he threw a pass, and he missed 4 games.

The two most serious injuries both came on pass plays, not on the QB being asked to run the ball.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/1/2015 9:48:40 AM

L.C., given that history, maybe we should re-think QB recruiting and just go after JUCO QBs or transfers (Bowers and maybe the new guy?!?!?)...This staff may know football but they have certainly earned their D in recruiting four year QBs.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/1/2015 11:50:10 AM

L.C. wrote:

I'm trying to think of QB injuries:
1. In 2006 Everson had an ankle sprain against Akron, and he might have been running the ball, but I'm not sure. He missed the Miami game from the injury.

2. In 2008 Scott took a hit against Ohio State well after throwing the ball, and was thrown to the ground in rather dirty buckeye fashion, and had a broken collarbone, and missed the rest of the year.

3. In 2012 TT took a shot to the ribs against Marshall, and I think he was running the ball at the time. He missed the Norfolk State game.
4. In 2014 Vick had an ankle sprain on a fluke play when a defender rolled under his knee after he threw a pass, and he missed 4 games.

The two most serious injuries both came on pass plays, not on the QB being asked to run the ball.

Corrected #2...

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/1/2015 2:12:39 PM

Deciduous Forest Cat wrote:

L.C. wrote:

...
2. In 2008 Scott took a hit against Ohio State well after throwing the ball, and was thrown to the ground in rather dirty buckeye fashion, and had a broken collarbone, and missed the rest of the year....

Corrected #2...

Yes, that is correct. I should add that when Boo came into the game, and was also playing well, and Ohio continued to lead the game, I happened to be watching a Buckeye "game thread", and the fans there wanted to see Boo injured, too, and "taken out" of the game as well.

As far as recruiting QBs, I think the IPF has to help, but then, some schools have done fine without one, so I don't really have any other ideas.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/1/2015 11:52:49 PM

ytownbobcat wrote:

It has to be the offense that we run. QB's take a lot of punishment in our system.
Lot of injuries over the last few years.

I agree with this statement, in that the offense that we run is not attracting good QB's. But I think it's the style and Frank's reputation as an option guy...as well as our desire to recruit dual-threat types.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/2/2015 10:02:16 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

ytownbobcat wrote:

It has to be the offense that we run. QB's take a lot of punishment in our system.
Lot of injuries over the last few years.

Certainly the option offense was a part of it. The problem started long before Solich arrived. Now that they've gone away from the I-formation and heavy option attack I think it is helping some with QB recruiting.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/2/2015 10:35:05 AM

Paul Graham wrote:

ytownbobcat wrote:

It has to be the offense that we run. QB's take a lot of punishment in our system.
Lot of injuries over the last few years.

Frank is 11 years at Ohio. I wonder to what extent he still has a reputation as an option guy. Indeed, I wonder what reputation he has among high school coaches.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/2/2015 10:38:47 AM

No one cares 'why.' Just get some players. Eleven years in and we're having this discussion ???

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/2/2015 7:22:31 PM

Monroe Slavin wrote:

No one cares 'why.' Just get some players. Eleven years in and we're having this discussion ???

Awe, never mind.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/3/2015 2:55:39 PM

C Money wrote:

L.C. wrote:

That's an interesting shotgun formation. He's 7 yards deep. I wonder what the logic is there.

After watching that film it's because his offensive line is horrid!!!!!

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/3/2015 5:52:14 PM

Paul Graham wrote:

ytownbobcat wrote:

It has to be the offense that we run. QB's take a lot of punishment in our system.
Lot of injuries over the last few years.

Totally agree with the thought of dual-threat types. I don't think Coach Solich is looking for the classic drop-back passer, not that those types exist anymore.

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RE: QB Recruiting

Posted: 5/5/2015 12:21:25 AM

Mike mentioned the "reputation" thing...and I think that's part of it too. Top QB's are not choosing Ohio, despite the relative stability of our coaching staff, commitment from the administration and the moderate success we've had. Ohio is a better academic institution than many of our peers, modulo Miami. So what could it be? The only thing left is that they (players, coaches, etc..) don't feel that Ohio is the right fit.

Frank has a no-frills, run the ball, grind out a win type of reputation. This is what is probably scaring folks away.

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