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Ted Thompson
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  Message Not Read  BG making friends
   Posted: 1/29/2014 1:12:35 PM 
http://www.toledoblade.com/BGSU/2014/01/29/Pa-high-school...

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L.C.
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   Posted: 1/29/2014 2:52:34 PM 
Supposedly had offers from Temple, Buffalo, and Toledo at one point.

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   Posted: 1/29/2014 3:23:37 PM 
Wish the NCAA had a way to penalize schools, perhaps one scholarship per high school athlete proven to have been treated dishonorably.

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   Posted: 1/29/2014 3:59:52 PM 
Really, it's a two-way street, however. We have players that rescind their pledge to a school, some as late as the last day. The real solution would probably be to have an early signing period, just like basketball does. That would help small schools taking a risk on some players who they're getting in on the ground floor but could also help students who would then be protected from injuries in their senior campaigns.
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   Posted: 1/29/2014 4:52:31 PM 
finnOhio wrote:
Really, it's a two-way street, however. We have players that rescind their pledge to a school, some as late as the last day. The real solution would probably be to have an early signing period, just like basketball does. That would help small schools taking a risk on some players who they're getting in on the ground floor but could also help students who would then be protected from injuries in their senior campaigns.




It is out there that verbal commitments are nonbinding. It is understood that the player should go where his best opportunity exists. That might change right up to signing day. The coaches are the grownups in this and they should not extend an offer if they are not prepared to make it good.

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   Posted: 1/29/2014 4:53:25 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Wish the NCAA had a way to penalize schools, perhaps one scholarship per high school athlete proven to have been treated dishonorably.


Don't forget the coaches. Clawson can pack up and get paid with no consequence, and the student is out in the cold.
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   Posted: 1/29/2014 5:08:37 PM 
Bcat2 wrote:
Wish the NCAA had a way to penalize schools, perhaps one scholarship per high school athlete proven to have been treated dishonorably.


I know of at least one occasion and I'm sure there are more where we have offered an athlete and then told them the scholarship was no longer there or we have met our quota at that position. Of course it was just before the signing period and that athlete just waited too long. This is a slightly different situation since the coach left....good reason for a player to pick a team with a coach who will be there for a while....wink wink.
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L.C.
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   Posted: 1/29/2014 5:34:00 PM 
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Wish the NCAA had a way to penalize schools, perhaps one scholarship per high school athlete proven to have been treated dishonorably.


I know of at least one occasion and I'm sure there are more where we have offered an athlete and then told them the scholarship was no longer there or we have met our quota at that position. Of course it was just before the signing period and that athlete just waited too long. This is a slightly different situation since the coach left....good reason for a player to pick a team with a coach who will be there for a while....wink wink.

This is a very different example. Ohio sends out about some initial offers, and all of those are with the caveat that they are first-come, first served. If Ohio wants 5 offensive linemen, and sends out 20 offers, the first 5 than accept get the scholarship, and number 6 does not. There is nothing underhanded or sneaky about that. Each offeree has an equal opportunity to accept and get the scholarship. If one waits too long, hoping for a "better" offer, and then tries to accept after five others have accepted, it is his own fault that one is no longer available.

In this case, Tyree accepted the offer early, and was told it was his. He did not promote himself to other schools because he believed it was a done deal. He did nothing wrong. Instead, the new coaches at BG simply decided they didn't want him. That is entirely on the BG coaching staff, and not on him.

January 2005 is before I was coming here. When Solich came to Ohio, Knorr no doubt already had many offers out. I know that Solich cancelled some of those which had not been accepted yet, and made offers to different players. Had any players accepted Knorr's offer already? If any did, did Solich honor those? I would hope that he would have.
 

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   Posted: 1/29/2014 9:24:23 PM 
6' one and a half with a frame to put on some weight--OHIO's weakest position is safety.  Can this kid run fast and hit hard?  Well then, he might look good in Green and White and laying the wood to the orange guys and perhaps some payback for him and us.  

Sad to see the situation the young man faces--screwed by BG.  But really, who the heck would want to go to that flat chested school with a substandard education reputation.  Hope Buffalo renews their interest in him so he goes to a team that appreciates him and gets an education from a top rated MAC school instead of from one in the laggard category.

 
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   Posted: 1/29/2014 11:41:19 PM 
MonroeClassmate wrote:
Sad to see the situation the young man faces--screwed by BG.  But really, who the heck would want to go to that flat chested school with a substandard education reputation.  Hope Buffalo renews their interest in him so he goes to a team that appreciates him and gets an education from a top rated MAC school instead of from one in the laggard category.

Unfortunately its not about education. Its about football. BG 3 times out of 4 hires an excellent coach to run that football program. Picking off EIU's coach was a huge steal, a former assistant head coach at UCLA. Ohio has had some really bad hires over the years.


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  Message Not Read  RE: BG making friends
   Posted: 1/30/2014 12:21:36 PM 
L.C. wrote:
Doc Bobcat wrote:
Bcat2 wrote:
Wish the NCAA had a way to penalize schools, perhaps one scholarship per high school athlete proven to have been treated dishonorably.


I know of at least one occasion and I'm sure there are more where we have offered an athlete and then told them the scholarship was no longer there or we have met our quota at that position. Of course it was just before the signing period and that athlete just waited too long. This is a slightly different situation since the coach left....good reason for a player to pick a team with a coach who will be there for a while....wink wink.

This is a very different example. Ohio sends out about some initial offers, and all of those are with the caveat that they are first-come, first served. If Ohio wants 5 offensive linemen, and sends out 20 offers, the first 5 than accept get the scholarship, and number 6 does not. There is nothing underhanded or sneaky about that. Each offeree has an equal opportunity to accept and get the scholarship. If one waits too long, hoping for a "better" offer, and then tries to accept after five others have accepted, it is his own fault that one is no longer available.

In this case, Tyree accepted the offer early, and was told it was his. He did not promote himself to other schools because he believed it was a done deal. He did nothing wrong. Instead, the new coaches at BG simply decided they didn't want him. That is entirely on the BG coaching staff, and not on him.

January 2005 is before I was coming here. When Solich came to Ohio, Knorr no doubt already had many offers out. I know that Solich cancelled some of those which had not been accepted yet, and made offers to different players. Had any players accepted Knorr's offer already? If any did, did Solich honor those? I would hope that he would have.
 


So what happens if that 6th lineman is a can't-miss recruit that Ohio coaches know is going to be future All-MAC player? In other words, a guy who is virtually 100% not a bust. Do the coaches then allow the 6th lineman and tell some other player sorry? I have to think this happens at almost every school. Still, very different from what BG did.
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   Posted: 1/30/2014 1:08:47 PM 
GoCats105 wrote:
So what happens if that 6th lineman is a can't-miss recruit that Ohio coaches know is going to be future All-MAC player? In other words, a guy who is virtually 100% not a bust. Do the coaches then allow the 6th lineman and tell some other player sorry? I have to think this happens at almost every school. Still, very different from what BG did.

What probably happens is that they go ahead and take him, but take one less person at some other position. I think that's what happened with McCray this year. I think they only wanted 4 offensive linemen, but when he became available, and wanted to verbal, they accepted, and ended up taking no defensive tackles except Clark.

Last Edited: 1/30/2014 1:54:12 PM by L.C.

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   Posted: 1/30/2014 1:44:07 PM 
The linked article about Mr. Brunis describes how coach Solich deals with the case of a late recruit they really wanted. The high school coach is quoted below. This is how you do business. Evidently Ohio's staff has issued Brunis extra coach stars.

“Ohio University saw his film, and they were immediately trying to make something happen and free up a scholarship for Herman. That was during the season. Weekly, bi-weekly, I would still hear, ‘Hey, we’re still working. Don’t forget about us.’

“The Division II offers started to roll in for Herman, and the I-AAs started to show some interest the last couple weeks. I got a call on Martin Luther King Day from OU saying, ‘We freed one up and we’re going to offer Herman.’ They called that night and offered."



http://www.journal-news.com/news/sports/high-school-footb.../

Last Edited: 1/30/2014 1:51:01 PM by Bcat2

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   Posted: 1/30/2014 1:53:38 PM 
In the case of Brunis, they had made an offer to Papi White, a running back, and probably had promised to leave it open until his visit on the 24th. When White announced on January 20th that he was going to choose SMU, Ohio immediately made an offer to Brunis.  What is significant to me is that they didn't do the ethically questionable "oversigning" trick - get the verbals first, and then figure out how to get back under 85.

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   Posted: 1/30/2014 3:14:02 PM 
Wouldn't you say this could backfire on us eventually (and probably more often than not) by promising certain things to certain guys? Like in this case, let's say we promised that scholly to Papi White and both him and Brunis ended up somewhere else. Then we're left scrambling and we could have gotten a great player in Brunis in the first place. #1 I think that reputation would get around in recruiting circles among high schools. And #2 we don't get the players we necessarily want.

I guess that's the name of the game in recruiting though, isn't it?
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   Posted: 1/30/2014 3:29:06 PM 
Well, once you get down to the last scholarship, there would seem to be only three ways to go:
1. You can offer them sequentially - first to one, then the other, if the first one turns it down
2. You offer both via the musical chairs route - let both know there is only one left, and whoever takes it first gets it
3. You go the oversigning route, and offer both, prepared to accept both, and then hope you can fix it later.

I think #1 is the most reputable, and #2 is also reputable, but #3 not so much. Yes, if someone else had offered Brunis on, say, January 15th, Ohio might have been left without either by offering them sequentially. That's why some big name schools go route #3, and then end up having to yank scholarships, or making someone grayshirt, to make room for excess verbals.

I think that the way Ohio handles it is very professional and fair - if a player gets an offer, he can accept it, and know that it will be honored.

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